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CMF_kovert.k11
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» CMF Memberlooks sweet, i personally dont mind the black cam cover...but i can see where you're coming from 
You going highly polished cam cover or do you have a colour in mind?
You going highly polished cam cover or do you have a colour in mind?
CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberI have one of the March ST type boxes and shafts but have yet to drop the plate LSD standard CG13DE box out to attempt to replace it.
Wondering what extent of modification is required to the bellhousing and rear engine mount....
Wondering what extent of modification is required to the bellhousing and rear engine mount....
CMF_turbo march-rolling shell
» CMF Memberfarkin jesus, can't believe you put those pics up kovert. it looks ****house in those pics lol.
all that remains of the factory dizzy is the outside casing mate, 2 optical sensors run in conjunction with eachother, one mounted inside the factory distributor housing, and another, which you can't see which includes the factory gearbox backing plate being modified using another optical sensor having the jun flywheel trigger it when required. ignition is controlled via a autronic 500r which is controlled by the smc.. total overkill for this car, but the best you can buy. this system could easily see 60pound+ in a turbo car, let alone an n/a screamer
edit: should also mention that the 500r is then incharge of firing 4 seperate coils which fire the spark plugs
all that remains of the factory dizzy is the outside casing mate, 2 optical sensors run in conjunction with eachother, one mounted inside the factory distributor housing, and another, which you can't see which includes the factory gearbox backing plate being modified using another optical sensor having the jun flywheel trigger it when required. ignition is controlled via a autronic 500r which is controlled by the smc.. total overkill for this car, but the best you can buy. this system could easily see 60pound+ in a turbo car, let alone an n/a screamer
edit: should also mention that the 500r is then incharge of firing 4 seperate coils which fire the spark plugs
CMF_turbo march-rolling shell
» CMF Memberquite a few of the bolt holes had to be slightly modified and machined out. gear selector fork must be removed and replaced with a later model one and/or modified to use the stock k11 linkage, or alternatively could probably use the k10 linkage with the k10 gearbox, rear gearbox mount/engine mount bolts don't line up, redrill engine mount, get longer/shorter bolts as needed.neutral/reverse plugs need rewiring.
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» CMF Membernology high energy cdi coils w/twisted pair tfezel wiring
custom cdi coil leads
+ custom 1.5L alloy under car surge tank
carter lift pump
-6 lines throughout
deleted return line from engine to fuel tank
holley fuel reg
billion racing p/s tank
petterson oil catch can
modified cam cover/breather system
custom 1.5L alloy overflow bottle
completely deleted engine bay fuse boxes/abs etc, custom mounted under dash
ACR racing fuel filter
custom alloy fuel distribution rail
and not that it matters, but we used a "full river" dry cell battery this time around, they are actually slightly smaller + lighter.. and offer a better warranty!
also worth mention is the tein coilovers. anyone interested in buying a set: i've only ever seen one set of this model available..this set.. the normal "cool master" teins are rubbish.
CMF_kovert.k11
» CMF Memberthanks for fielding those inquiries and amending the parts list tmrs... fitting considering ur the one in this partnership that is doing all the work... fukn awesomely i might add! lmao.. and in regards to ur disbelief about my posting pix, the **** looks pretty sweet imo mate
no Low, they are not for sale - tmrs is referring to the coilovers that are on my car and the fact that he's only ever seen the one set which are the ones i'm running
CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberYeah, I noted the smaller bolting holes in the March box. I was considering to make up some studs to avoid boring out the bellhousing as it's not as meety as the K11 variant. Are they ok overbored to M10?
I didn't note any differenced on the selector fork but I probably wasn't looking that hard. I have a spare K11 box, so a swap isn't an issue.
Regarding the rear engine mount, I guess I will have to get the box up on the car to see the differences in alignment on the rear engine mount.
Thanks for the tips, greatly appreciated
Super build by the way, the attention to detail and the quality of aluminium parts you have used are exquisite. Have you considered making any of that in kit form for the K11 as a bolt on retrofit? I'd be very interested if you do, I'd sure like some of that gear over here on my track car! We have basically the same setup except for a set of Jenvey throttlebodies instead of the FCRs.CMF_turbo march-rolling shell
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"turbo march-rolling shell WROTE:<BR><BR>"
SSUK WROTE:<BR><BR>"I have one of the March ST type boxes and shafts but have yet to drop the plate LSD standard CG13DE box out to attempt to replace it. <BR><BR>Wondering what extent of modification is required to the bellhousing and rear engine mount...."</DIV><BR><BR>quite a few of the bolt holes had to be slightly modified and machined out. gear selector fork must be removed and replaced with a later model one and/or modified to use the stock k11 linkage, or alternatively could probably use the k10 linkage with the k10 gearbox, rear gearbox mount/engine mount bolts don't line up, redrill engine mount, get longer/shorter bolts as needed.neutral/reverse plugs need rewiring."</DIV><BR><BR>Yeah, I noted the smaller bolting holes in the March box. I was considering to make up some studs to avoid boring out the bellhousing as it's not as meety as the K11 variant. Are they ok overbored to M10?<BR><BR>I didn't note any differenced on the selector fork but I probably wasn't looking that hard. I have a spare K11 box, so a swap isn't an issue.<BR><BR>Regarding the rear engine mount, I guess I will have to get the box up on the car to see the differences in alignment on the rear engine mount.<BR><BR>Thanks for the tips, greatly appreciated
the holes seem fine bored out that little extra bit. there's bugger all difference.. but enough for the orignal k11 bolts not to fit. same with the selector.. you wouldn't tell a difference untill you have both in your hand.. i didn't untill it was in the car.. absolute pain in the ass to change over in the car.. so make sure you change them over before you put it in... not really interested in making a kit for the k11.. imo, there's no money in it.. i'd probably sell 2 or 3 kits at best. plenty of dreamers, but not many people have any money.... after all.. we are modifying a cheap car to begin with.. anyone with money generally starts off with a better platform
. that said, there's nothing wrong with spending money on em.. between me and kovert i reckon if we put together the money we've spent on our micra's we'd have a pretty awesome house and land package lolCMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberCool, I shall take a look at the boxes when I arrive back in the UK later this month. I live in Norway now, so time on the car is limited.
Regarding kit parts, I was being purely selfish when asking for kit parts and was asking for myself rather than for the masses I'd be more than happy to cover all material costs, plus your time & some kind of markup for gear of that calibre.
Regarding kit parts, I was being purely selfish when asking for kit parts and was asking for myself rather than for the masses
I'd be more than happy to cover all material costs, plus your time & some kind of markup for gear of that calibre.CMF_turbo march-rolling shell
» CMF MemberSSUK WROTE:
"Cool, I shall take a look at the boxes when I arrive back in the UK later this month. I live in Norway now, so time on the car is limited.<BR><BR>Regarding kit parts, I was being purely selfish when asking for kit parts and was asking for myself rather than for the masses
haha. i kinda gathered as much. still not interested mate. only reason i do stuff for kovert is because he takes a stock car and bombs the crap out of it in one hit... its kind of a package deal, that and i enjoy building a car without the 'yeh, we'll do that next time attitude'.. <very common here lol. i used to do bits and pieces for random customers, it all ended when one or two people whinged about pricing.. yeh.. i probably am on the pricy side.. i don't care what bob down the road thinks his time is worth.. go to him if your worried is my attitude.
.. that said. anything i do isn't state of the art cad drawn craftsmanship. i'm sure you would be able to find some alot closer to you then the other side of the world .. and cheaper! or give it a crack yourself! .. it is kind of hard with micra's thou.. when i first started modyfing mine all people did was laugh.. gave me the drive to make it kickass thou!CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberNo worries tmrs, the whole car is aeroquip'd anyway, so I am sure I can conmission someone to do the work. I fear living in another country is going to turn me into a 'chequebook tuner', where I get everyone else to do the work and simply sign off checks for the work.
The only problem is finding someone within a sensible distance, you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find a capable fabricator who can properly weld stainless and make a proper exhaust system etc for a car. It seems people are in trouble financially in the UK but at the same time the motivation for people to work seems really low, very odd!
Will keep my eyes on the build, quite interested in the Japanese built engine and seeing what it puts out and where
The only problem is finding someone within a sensible distance, you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find a capable fabricator who can properly weld stainless and make a proper exhaust system etc for a car. It seems people are in trouble financially in the UK but at the same time the motivation for people to work seems really low, very odd!
Will keep my eyes on the build, quite interested in the Japanese built engine and seeing what it puts out and where
CMF_turbo march-rolling shell
» CMF MemberSSUK WROTE:
"No worries tmrs, the whole car is aeroquip'd anyway, so I am sure I can conmission someone to do the work. I fear living in another country is going to turn me into a 'chequebook tuner', where I get everyone else to do the work and simply sign off checks for the work.<BR><BR>The only problem is finding someone within a sensible distance, you wouldn't believe how hard it is to find a capable fabricator who can properly weld stainless and make a proper exhaust system etc for a car. It seems people are in trouble financially in the UK but at the same time the motivation for people to work seems really low, very odd!<BR><BR>Will keep my eyes on the build, quite interested in the Japanese built engine and seeing what it puts out and where
quality here is a little hard to find also.. everyone's attitude is "the muffler shop down the road can knock me up an exhaust with extractors for 650 bucks mate with a high flow cat... then when i tell em if i make one its going to be atleast double and then some they quickly run away lol.. i love when they come back with a mild steel half press bent mig'd together piece of junk that sounds like a tractor with no exhaust.. dags hanging off are free, not to mention the $35 "high flow" cat lmao. a proper decen't high flow stainless cat is around $400 alone. anyway. sometimes chequebooks are handy!
CMF_mycra
» CMF Memberman thats a rebuild....
CMF_turbo march-rolling shell
» CMF Memberand that the other model is pov
CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberThought I would bump this up. Not had any updates for months.....what's the progress?
CMF_kovert.k11
» CMF Memberup to taking care of the interior: had a major **** fight tracking down the defi exhaust temp, intake manifold pressure and tacho gauges - defi was apparently affected quite badly by the disasters in japan, and advance cr gauges are being discontinued by defi (60mm cr tacho will be as rare as rocking horse **** soon)... thankfully managed to track them down, get a triple gauge pod and tmrs is now in the process of installing them. have also purchased a set of RG JTC'N1 7 stage coilovers to use instead of the teins (which will go onto the daily drive). cam cover was still at the painters last i heard, but we are getting close to a conclusion - famous last words...
CMF_jcmicra
» CMF MemberRG JTC N1 eh ;D i like your style
CMF_mycra
» CMF Membereager to see you dyno results man...
CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberBumpy bump! How are things shaping up?
CMF_kovert.k11
» CMF Memberwe've been waiting on some custom leads for the ignition coils to be made up... after many weeks and an impatient wait, they are ready.
i also got a titanium exhaust system which requires some dicking around to fit it seems; and there is also a nismo mechanical LSD to install in the 31V box.. there will be some more pics of the build shortly - stay tuned...
i also got a titanium exhaust system which requires some dicking around to fit it seems; and there is also a nismo mechanical LSD to install in the 31V box.. there will be some more pics of the build shortly - stay tuned...
CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberCool. That's a valid reminder......I have to actually do the same! Best get an order into Magnecor eh
Ti exhaust, wow sounds mega. What's the weight saving over a comparable stainless system? Will be interesting to see how it sounds too, as the Honda's I have seen with them sound a bit crazy. We have to work with a 98dBA noise limit measured at 0.5m from the tailpipe at 45deg angle, at 2/3 maximum rpm. Not sure how that's gonna pan out just yet :-/
I was looking at a Nismo plate type LSD but they are like rocking horse sh*t, one on yahoo at the moment now though but at YEN102,000 I have money better spent elsewhere, plus it will probably be a lot easier to commission Gripper to make one to suit the 31V box.....we'll see after we get things rolling.
We're still waiting for engine parts to arrive, for the shell to be booked in to have some minor work and the engine bay resprayed and also to have the head sent off for some pretty radical upgrades.
Looking forward to the pics, knowing your work this will be one choice motor Ours wont be anywhere near as well laid out but it will be interesting to compare things when they're completed, run in and finished mapped.
Ti exhaust, wow sounds mega. What's the weight saving over a comparable stainless system? Will be interesting to see how it sounds too, as the Honda's I have seen with them sound a bit crazy. We have to work with a 98dBA noise limit measured at 0.5m from the tailpipe at 45deg angle, at 2/3 maximum rpm. Not sure how that's gonna pan out just yet :-/
I was looking at a Nismo plate type LSD but they are like rocking horse sh*t, one on yahoo at the moment now though but at YEN102,000 I have money better spent elsewhere, plus it will probably be a lot easier to commission Gripper to make one to suit the 31V box.....we'll see after we get things rolling.
We're still waiting for engine parts to arrive, for the shell to be booked in to have some minor work and the engine bay resprayed and also to have the head sent off for some pretty radical upgrades.
Looking forward to the pics, knowing your work this will be one choice motor
Ours wont be anywhere near as well laid out but it will be interesting to compare things when they're completed, run in and finished mapped.CMF_UR1WISH
» CMF MemberVerry nice bud.
CMF_kovert.k11
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CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberVery nice indeed, top job!
This build has motivated me to get the engine bay sprayed when the shell goes in for some minor work later this week on the rear sill area, which is a common place for rot here in the UK.
The FCR's sure make the Jenvey's, (which have no more than 3cm maximum between the bulkhead and trumpets), seem huge in comparison.
This build has motivated me to get the engine bay sprayed when the shell goes in for some minor work later this week on the rear sill area, which is a common place for rot here in the UK.
The FCR's sure make the Jenvey's, (which have no more than 3cm maximum between the bulkhead and trumpets), seem huge in comparison.
CMF_turbo march-rolling shell
» CMF Membertrue story
CMF_kovert.k11
» CMF Memberthought that my comment was pretty self-explanatory given the context of the picture and the fact there are obviously 2 leads missing
CMF_Greo
» CMF MemberI think more to the fact he probably isn't running the car on 2cyl might b using different leads while waiting for custom ones? Or not driving it yet.
Little bit of critical thinking next time Hmmm?
Drugs are bad, mmmkay.
Lol
Little bit of critical thinking next time Hmmm?
Drugs are bad, mmmkay.
Lol
CMF_kovert.k11
» CMF MemberActually, we rigged up wireless connectivity between those 2 plugs and the coil packs - ran out of funds to do the other 2, so had to use conventional ignition leads... lmao
CMF_kovert.k11
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CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberHaha, sweet! Matt sent me that very photo yesterday as a matter of fact I had a feeling they may be destined to you but one can never be too sure.
Slightly different to ours, we have the old original design, as attached. There are a few variations but the system length I am sure will be very similar. If so, then cyls 3 & 4 will be damn close to the back bulkhead, (2-3cm). We had the bulkhead cut back to make more room on this build, so we could get an adequate air feed/filtration system in there.
Ours jenveys are a little more fiddly to balance up with the throtle linkages. You'll get a nice 1/2 way house between inboard and outboard injector positioning with those and they'll be a fine addition to an already legendary build.....you wont be dissapointed in adding those into the mix i'm sure
Eagrely awaiting the results! How much more is left to do by the way?
We've got heaps on our plate still :/
I had a feeling they may be destined to you but one can never be too sure.Slightly different to ours, we have the old original design, as attached. There are a few variations but the system length I am sure will be very similar. If so, then cyls 3 & 4 will be damn close to the back bulkhead, (2-3cm). We had the bulkhead cut back to make more room on this build, so we could get an adequate air feed/filtration system in there.
Ours jenveys are a little more fiddly to balance up with the throtle linkages. You'll get a nice 1/2 way house between inboard and outboard injector positioning with those and they'll be a fine addition to an already legendary build.....you wont be dissapointed in adding those into the mix i'm sure
Eagrely awaiting the results! How much more is left to do by the way?
We've got heaps on our plate still :/
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» CMF Memberdang. kovert sent me the pics yesterday. my first reaction is where the hell is that going to fit lol. i can't see it but time will tell lol. car is pretty well finished, just waiting on these quads then its plenty of 1st gear skid action
CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberIt will be a tight fit I'm sure. The nice thing with the shorter throttlebody units is you have more room to play with horn lengths should you have any problems. Ours are quite short already at 40mm and there's not much scope to change due to the throttlebody elements being 60mm from flange-flange.
I'll be very interested in the numbers once the mappings done
CMF_schoona
» CMF MemberHoly ****. That's awesome you pair!
CMF_Tinky
» CMF MemberF'ing hell I didn't win the lotto again Great work indeed guy's mega commitment!
Great work indeed guy's mega commitment!CMF_kovert.k11
» CMF MemberMega commitment!?! think i should be committed for spending so much ca$h on a ****box micra, and TMRS is ready to be committed because this is doing his head in!! bahaha...
cheers for the comments blokes
cheers for the comments blokes
CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberHahaha! Seems more than one of us needs to be committed then. Only those who own fast cars seem to think people like us are nuts to be putting this much effort into a K11. The usual comment is, 'why don't you sell it and buy something faster'......when they get the response of, 'I already do own something faster' it often throws them off
One can always rock up in one of these if the situation warrants it. In the UK at least, these have way more street cred...
One can always rock up in one of these if the situation warrants it. In the UK at least, these have way more street cred...
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» CMF MemberYeah bit of coin on a'shrink' instead of a 'faster' car might help a lot of us. hahaha hhmm Jag v12 in Micra...where to mount seat?
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CMF_SSUK
» CMF MemberWe turned & welded up an alloy spacer for the OEM master cylinder on our first build. Cost #### all and didn't require any new lines. Braked fine but didn't leave much room for a filter arrangement but it was only done to get the car setup quickly.
How do you plan to rig everything up on the single outlet?
I'm guessing the rules on braking systems are different out there. We'd have to have 2 master cylinders, as the rules state that there must be 2 independent hydraulic circuits of which a single failure cannot result in a total loss of braking.
How do you plan to rig everything up on the single outlet?
I'm guessing the rules on braking systems are different out there. We'd have to have 2 master cylinders, as the rules state that there must be 2 independent hydraulic circuits of which a single failure cannot result in a total loss of braking.
