1.3 cams fitted to 1.0 problem

[joelh]

hello i fitted 1.3 cams fitted to my 1.0 and now when i go to start it it turns over but wont start any ideas what the problem is

Fixed car can delete this post if you want now thanks all

 

[andy]

is the timing set correct ?

 

[frank]

joelh

a photo of the cams with crank pulley on tdc would be a help!

 

[rlees85]

is the dizzy thing ok? or has it snapped off/etc? might not be turning that round... or the most likely cause timing is wrong

 

[joelh]

how is timing set i set the bronze link to the diple on the spockets is that right or..

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dunno if there any help frank

 

[Alienfish360]

it may be even 1 link off and it won't run. It needs to be spot on.

Have you measured your valve clearances also? You may need to change the shims

 

[joelh]

kristain sent me 1.3 cams with the shims should be straight swap he sed is that right am going take the cams out and put my 1.0 back in and see what happens then should i do that?

oh and i have no spark going thro my spark plugs i took hd lead off and put plug in it there was no spark when started it?

 

[Craig]

Check for blown fuses if you are getting no spark.

 

[joelh]

check every fuse yeh? i was messing with cigretta wire not long before that and it blown fuse on that coould that do owt

 

[rlees85]

sounds to me like the distributer is not turning around. i bet the little thing that slots into the exhaust cam was not properly re-inserted and snapped off

 

[joelh]

the little thing is still on it i will have a go at taking the cams off see if owt is damaged. is there anyway i can save the timing chain from tuning when i take cams off?

 

[sonic]

take the dizzy cap off and turn the engine over, see if the rotor arm turns.

 

[frank]

going by the photo, yes miles out!
at tdc in and exh lobes should be sort of facing each other but also opening the valves about 1mm each on cylinder 1 or4

 

[joelh]

how do i sort that then

 

[frank]

just reset them, and hope the valves are still straight!
btw i presume you know tdc is the second mark from the left on the pulley

 

[joelh]

i am going to put my 1.0 cams back in

 

[ollie240585]

i am going to put my 1.0 cams back in

round the right way?

 

[andy]

round the right way?

lmao

 

[kennierobo]

didnt you refer to a workshop manual before fitting them

 

[rlees85]

to keep timing just get a mate to hold the sprockets as u swap cams lol (future reference)

 

[andy]

for what you would of gained it aint worth it in my oppinion. should of just put a1.3 engine and box and other stuff you need. less hassle just a bit more work

 

[joelh]

ok will put 1.0 cam back in tomor do i just get mate to told chain then and put the cams in

 

[frank]

andy

you have to bear in mind insurance complications, and 1.0s with 1.3 cams have a nice powerband, not much grunt but let them rev and they go well

 

[sonic]

i am going to put my 1.0 cams back in

if you are going to go to that much trouble then you may as well put the 1.3 ones in correctly, it will be worth it for the gains.

 

[frank]

sonic

very true!

 

[joelh]

right the dizzy turns round so thats fine so its postion like frank sed could be
do shims affect it starting at all?

 

[ollie240585]

The timing on the cams are wrong!!! I'm pretty certain that is your problem!!!!

 

[joelh]

is there any guide to timing? 1.0 cams

 

[frank]

joelh

the cam base radius,s are very uniform, so just swapping cams "usually" gives no problems with valve clearance.
but valve stem hights can be quite random so mixing shims can b###er up the clearances so be carefull.
theres a guide on cisco micra.
you should end up with exh lobe just about to touch the shim at about 20 deg atdc and inl lobe just about to touch the shim at about 20 deg btdc.

 

[joelh]

to keep timing just get a mate to hold the sprockets as u swap cams lol (future reference)

you got msn ?

 

[joelh]

right there 3 different colour links on the timing chain?