The Maxi Micra project

CMF_EBBdude

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Thank You for letting me register to this fabolus forum :)

I am a avid Micra fan from Norway and i have some 5 Micras at any given time in my family that we paly with :)

Have done some work on them and i would like to share some with the fans down under.

Please feel free to read my current : "Maxi Micra" project here in Norway :

http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/40439-quot-Maxi-Micra-quot-project....by-EBBdude.

Here is also a earlier " Micro Micra " project with loads of stuff to dig into :

http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/40020-EBBdude-s-Micro-Micra-project
 

CMF_Radiolite22

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Hi Ebb,

Read up on your write-up on your micro micra project. I'm impressed that you've done such a great detailed experiment and explaination!! :)

Would like to check on the bosch super 4 spark plugs that you mentioned on part of the experiment. Can I know the "short code" for the ones you used on the CG engine? The widening of the tip is max at 3mm? How to test individual plugs to ensure they are working properly after widening?

Pls advise..
 

CMF_Greo

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Read both the blogs. You have some excellent fabrication skills. Im am keen to give a few o these mods a go when i have the time to.

Been a great read so far looking forward to the rest of the blog.
 

CMF_EBBdude

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Thanks all for looking in at both the current Maxi Micra project and the earlier Micro Micra as well :)

@ Radiolite22
FR 78 X as Alexzaki refers to is correct value.
The Super 4`s work extremely well , even with more than incredible 4 mm gap at the electrode.
I have a home built pressure chamber and a spark generator that i test spark plugs in but throw them into the car with whatever gap you like and just test it , you will more than soon find out if they can handle it.

@ Greo
I have several Micra owners here in Norway who have tried many of these mods with similar results as shown in the threads.
After participating in foreign forums with the projects i have received info that also members of other Micra communities also have had success with their work being similar in approach.
 

CMF_EBBdude

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i have now given up on changing my origin country to Norway as it seems as it cant be changed ?

Have changed to Norway from Phillipines , used password confirm and everything,,,doesnt help.

can anyone in the admin change it for me ?

Thanks
 

CMF_Radiolite22

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Hi Ebb,

juz wondering if it's possible to mod a sets of open quart throttle to individual chambers, instead of the current single throttle? (Like those they mod to Hondas). Ever consider doing a project like that? ;)
 

CMF_EBBdude

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that is possible like many other options out there.
Lot of Motorcycle parts that could be adapted and both as carburetor or injected barrels.

Yes it has been a thought but will have to come in the future as major modifications is underway with the induction system , cylinderhead , camshafts , valves etc....
 

CMF_Radiolite22

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EBBdude WROTE:

"that is possible like many other options out there.<BR>Lot of Motorcycle parts that could be adapted and both as carburetor or injected barrels.<BR><BR>Yes it has been a thought but will have to come in the future as major modifications is underway with the induction system , cylinderhead , camshafts , valves etc....

Woah... Would sure love to see your major mods :D

Do update often on your projects as I'm beginning to become addicted to it...haha
 

CMF_Radiolite22

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Hi Ebb,

I was at my mechanic's workshop the other day and I was asking if my car will gain much HP if I drop in a set of tomei poncams (256 degree 8.35mm lift). He then laughed it off at the idea.

Perhaps his workshop is often getting big HP by tuning cars like Subaru WRX, Mazda RX7 and Mitsubishi Evos.. which makes him think that a tiny CG13DE engine won't achieve much...

I would really loved to fully explore the full potential of the current engine and the advantage of a micra over other cars (being light weight).

What would be your take on mods I can do to achieve about 150hp on wheels? (Not willing to turbo charge at the moment though)
 

CMF_EBBdude

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@ Radiolite22

150 bhp @ the wheels is a very high number if you ask me for the cg13de.
But can easily be done if you wnat to spend muchos dineros and plenty of time...lots of time at the Dyno to get it all out there...

Keep looking into the MAxi Micra project and you can probably pick up a trick or 2 that doesnt necessarily have to bring your economy to a hault at the same time gaining quite a healthy horses :)

More updates with the inlet modification :)

http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/40439-quot-Maxi-Micra-quot-project....by-EBBdude

With a small vid of the inlet build:


 

CMF_deNs

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I've only had the time to read the first page on your blog thus far but I must say I cringed a little when I saw the suspension mods you did with the straps and the eyelet-bolts and the chopped springs but I'm glad you strongly emphasised the 'not for road use' point with it and also glad you are going to upgrade it eventually (or already have.. I haven't read that far yet!).

I'm amazed at that motorkhana/autocross course - How do they work in Norway? It looks like it's just in the carpark of a business. It's a pretty stark contrast to the ones I have attended here where it's just a massive flat skidpan with absolutely nothing to hit. In parts of that course you did it looks like there's very little room for error!

---dens
 

CMF_EBBdude

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@dens
I can promise that the mods done to the suspension actually outclass almost anything on wheels where the Maxi Micra participates.

It is a full and utterly DIY home made solution but it is extremely efficient in getting the car fast around corners and gives a furious fast car on smaller tracks.

of course it is not a full Whiteline / Koni etc pacakge but that was not the intention at all . The intention was to show how easy one can get a grandpa car to become a avid sprinter with predictable and good handling for 20 bucks.... :)

The Autoslaom courses here in Norway ranges from parking lots to full race track settings.
 

CMF_deNs

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Good to know. As for the suspension changes you've made - I'm not overly concerned with them but rather how people might go if they try and imitate the setup. I have seen a similar setup elsewhere with the straps like that but can't remember where.

As for your courses - that's cool :) Do you need a racing license of any kind? If you don't mind me asking, how much would a day of racing like at that carpark complex cost?

---dens
 

CMF_EBBdude

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You just sign up for a one day licence and over here that is about 20 aus dollars i thing.

The aerea that you saw is available for free from the Norwegian official MOT offices. It is their arera that is used there.
A cooperation between the car community and the officials that is beneficials for all parts.

We also race on smaller and larger track,,,,will post a small video soon on a Autoslalom event at a small go-cart track where the MAxi Micra participated.

there is by the way more updates on the thread :

http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/40439-quot-Maxi-Micra-quot-project....by-EBBdude
 

CMF_deNs

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It's great to see the steps you're taking with the cylinder head work. For someone like myself that hasn't personally done internal engine work like that, it's great to see it done on a CG13 :) Looking forward to seeing more progress.

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CMF_EBBdude

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Thought i see if i could put the updates directly in here instead of linking all the time :

Here is some results :
The ” Evolution ” parts are finished and the Maxi Micra has gone through lots of more Dynapack action.
But let us forst see what I have achieved so far in this project :

Started out with the MAxi pumping out these stock numbers :
51, 1 Hp @ 5370 rpm ( @ hubs )
79,4 Nm @ 2850 rpm ( @flywheel ))

Then i made a spacer , some modification to a stock ex-manifold and some grinding in the throttle body. That gave me these results :
60,9 Hp @ 5737 rpm ( @ hubs )
98.1 Nm @ 3559 rpm ( @ flywheel ))
Result :
+9,8 hp from original
+18,7 Nm from original
Percentage increase in Hp = 19 %

Then i made som adjustable camsgears ans fiddling with some ignition timing
68,7 Hp @ 6400 rpm ( @ hubs )
99,6 Nm@ 3465 rpm (@ flywheel )

Result:
+ 17,7 Hp from original
+ 20.2 Nm from original
Percentage increas Hp = 34 %

All this without bying / installing a single high performance part from the shelf.

SO NOW THE LAST RESULTS :

My cams , pistons , inlet ,cylinderhead , all DIY modified + the old ex-manifold is to be tested to find out if they contributed with some more positive results.

These are the parts that I have modified :
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Here is the results , for now , in Hp and you can see the original power graph as well:
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and for Nm with a original for compare.
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( if anyones wonder why the pulsation in Nm graph,,,,well thats what you get using a stock engine management and that’s fine for me as I am going to install a modified version of the old ECU soon and fix things up a bit in that matter. )

So then i have ( for the time being ) :

87,54 Hp @ 6700 rpm ( @ hubs ]
94,8 Nm @ 4000 rpm ( @ flywheel )

RESULT :
+36,4 Hp from original
+15,4 Nm from original

Percentage increase in Hp = 71 %

71 % percent in power output using ONLY OEM Nissan parts !!!!

( could add that i managed to squezee out 90,2 Hp @ hubs going to the far wild end of the camgear position hunting down more power in upper region but not to usable for a daily driven car so i setteled for 87,4 in the end as a compromize that i could live with )

The Maxi Micra has now rolled on the street for soon to come 6 weeks , covered more than 1500 km as shown with the “ Evo “ setup.

It works perfect in city driving , rides fine on longer trips ( 500 km t/rt )and is willing to rev 8500 rpm+ anytime of the day.

Nothing has broken down , no wear on camshafts , its start just as fine in minus 10 dgr C as when warm and almost to good to be true has even now quite good mileage.

Needs 98 octane fuel though…

Here is a clip showing the new potensial on a 0-100 km / h ( actual 0-102,7 km /h )



Maxi Micraen has now cut in half the time it used as a stock car on this test.

But the Maxi Micra doesn’t stop here , there is more to come and the numbers on the graph is lalready reaching new peaks.

More to come....

 

CMF_EBBdude

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i think that there will be a future potensial of under 6,5 sec.
And that without posi-grip or anything :)

Before i move on with this Evoluzione process with the engine and stuff i will show you a little stunt on these here

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For the one who read the " Micro Micra " thread one will find out why,,,,,making things better.

You can find it in here if you want to have a look :
http://www.micra.org.uk/threads/40020-EBBdude-s-Micro-Micra-project

But it will take a few moments as i have been struck down with the flu.....yaiiks :(

Probably something to do with this white powder entering our region of Norway :
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Be nice for Christmas though :)

Back soon :)

Edit ; put in link...
 

CMF_EBBdude

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Now it is time for more development on the Maxi Micra projct.

When I worked with the “Micro Micra “ project
http://www.evo.no/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=12720
We had success with using the copper-core cables.

This I want to continue on the Maxi project and make them even better and more functionable.

But first a quick trip to the local junkyard where I found these and they were donated to the project .
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I dont want these kind of silicone supress cables at all
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Take the old donated cables apart
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Open up the end fitting
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In the end this is what i am after
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More to come soon
 

CMF_EBBdude

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Here is the rest of the ignition cable project

Enter the new copper core cables , precut to desire lenght into the old plastic and metal end pieces.
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The new copper cables are bought on roll and are quite cheap. A roll of 5 meters is about 6 pounds I think.

Assemble the old end onto the new cables
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Chrimped the new cable onto the old fitting ( could have soldered it but didnt bother )
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Using this universal end fitting in the other end of the cable
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Voila , here i have a new solution with better performance potentional and cheap as hell
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Finished it looks like this
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Fully functional and total cost about 12 punds and estimate an hours work…

More soon….
 

CMF_Greo

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Was just wondering whats happened to erik.
I have been missing the updates on His msc thread...
He just dissappeared from it.

Anyone else know of a really good build thread like his ones?
 

CMF_mycra

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EBBdude i hope you know what ur doing(no offence)....copper core have almost no rfi/emi resistance. that means unless ur k11 is a full race carby setup. you'll have problems with everything electrical...thats ecu,sensors, etc.. especially if you want ur radio..

i tried it for ****s...had heap of problems with on the dyno...unless ur running 8-10mm core mate, its almost pointless..might as well go carbon/fiberglass stainless core..
 

CMF_fuzzy-hair-man

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I'm wondering if Rimflo design valve (as explained / used in David Vizard's "How to tune the A series") would be good for the Micra engine?

Unless it's more complicated than I think the anti reversion grooves in the face of the valve should be a relatively easy modification to the OEM valves (or replaced valves in this case). They are apparently good at negating the effects of valve overlap which comes with lumpy cams, so you can get a better idle back with you race cam! There was also a version to promote better flow on the exhaust valve IIRC...

I have Vizard's yellow bible around somewhere,... must get to reading it again.

In case you're wondering they look like this:
<img src="http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2019/rimfloexlz7.jpg">
 
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