yeah probaly 200 or so but basically i had limits put on what i was allowed it had to be something that would last and be around till i was fairly old that was always like that was what i got for my 21st and im allowed 600 because thats what my sisters sax cost but dont think i will spend all of that just thought if people had experiance using welders around this price range then i would have somewere to start looking as there is loads out there