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Yin and Yang: The Black and White Super S dynamic duo

Hi guys, finally thought I should show my face here.

I've been lurking around loads over the last 2 years or so, trying to learn as much as I can about Micras, and also have a gander at what y'all up to. Safe to say, I'm pretty excited to be here at last.

This might be quite an essay, but I'm a sucker for a long car-related story. (Still yet to catch up in Paul's build, what a read!)

Anyway:

Hi, my name is Luke, I'm 23 and live in Norfolk.

I've been pretty fortunate to own, drive, build and ruin a multitude of cars over the last few years. Including but not limited to: Mk1 1.8 MX5, MK4 Golf GTI, P38 2.5d Range Rover and currently E91 335d currently stage 2 running 380hp... But despite all that... I've allllllllways wanted a Micra; more specifically, a pre-facelift 1.3.

I've always been a huge fan of 80-90's japscrap. The crapper, the better. No idea why. I never questioned it.

I didn't actually know the Super S trim was a thing, almost buying a few normal sub £400 ones that had been knocking about locally, but usually not quite what I wanted: Already been slammed and ruined... I wanted that satisfaction myself.

Just to mention, since then, I have got through my stance phase, now in favour of cars that are actually drive-able and dont deafen everyone... So dont worry!

Anyhoo, one day (July 2018 I think?) I looked on Facebook to see a certain Ed Storer (I believe he is on here? If so; Hi!) was selling a cheap white Super S.

I saw the bumper, saw the fogs, saw the interior, saw the sunroof, pop out rear quarter windows... and fell in love!
I looked up what the Super S trim was all about, and basically decided it was Super S or die. (Purely for that 90's rally car front fogs vibe pretty much).

Ed's (or mine now I suppose) had all the bits I would've wanted to do to it anyway: Mid-level boot spoiler, sweet euro reflector, exhaust, slightly lowered etc, and after seeing how rare and expensive some bits were if I was to buy them separately, it was damn inevitable I was going to buy it... So I did just that!

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It's certainly rough, rusty and in need of serious TLC, but having my MX5 pretty much single-handedly taught me to weld, and I love working on older cars, so I had absolutely no issue with the work ahead.

I bought it, knowing full well it was various odds and sods he had lying about, and he was very honest about what he'd done, what needed doing etc. Very nice person and #noregrets!

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Unfortunately, due to work, life and maintaining other cars, this poor nugget is still sat in dry storage, awaiting a proper revival!

On a slight tangent; my morning commute is only 4 miles, and any trips I do into town or round family/friends is no more than 10 miles, which for my BMW really isnt that long. Often Ill be nearly at work and my heater is only just warming up properly, and my stage 2 map isn't the cleanest (no smoke, no poke am I right?), so I'm still smoking out the roads pretty bad even when I get to work. On top of that, because of all that, I'm lucky to get 30mpg. Plus service/repair bills HURT.

So, for a while now I'd been looking for a cheap daily. But nothing really sat right.

I can deal with slow, I can deal with small and basic, but it has to have that ONE thing that makes it all worthwhile.

It was kinda tearing me apart that I didn't have the time to fix up my White one, as it would of fit the bill perfectly and would've made me hap- ... Oh look there's a black Super S for sale! Its only 50 miles away? Its great condition? I just got payed?. You're goddamn right I bought it! 🙈

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Havent actually got my own photos of this so far, so these are the sale photos.

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60k miles, MOT till March, hardly any rust and the cherry on top... 100% original. (apart from the wheels, urgh, HMU if you have a set!)

Been bombing around in it for a few weeks now, getting 41mpg, nice and toasty by just the end of my road and thankfully as my commute is so short, I'm easily preserving the low mileage, while also making sure the car gets used! Perfect.

So that's where I'm at right now. I'm hoping this blog will be a little motivation and log for the work I carry out on both these little 90's turd nuggets.

The name Yin and Yang came mainly because they're Black/White, but also as their conditions are so different, it's also inspired my plans for each...

Yin (Black one):
Promised myself to keep it standard and MINT. It's too good of an example not to look after it!
Could probably do with a chain and belt change, it's a bit rattly and belt looks worn.
Definitely going to source some original Super S alloys.
Has a few little rough edges to sort; Slight damage on NSF wing/bumper, passenger foot well gets wet under heavy rain, electric windows are a tad shot etc...
In essence, it will be a daily/lightly driven rolling restoration, not that I think Ill ever sell it, but for the first time In my life with a car, I feel like I've been something special I need to preserve and properly look after.

Yang (White one):
As I'm doing my bit of preserving the Super S name with the Yin, Yang's the one that's gonna GET IT.
Lots of bodywork fixing to sort; welding, paint etc...
Then I'm hoping it'll become a small pocket rocket screaming boosty boi.
It already got a few little mods done to it, but Im just going to do as I will with it. My MX5 looks pretty rad, but I never got round to making it fast, so I'm hoping Ill channel that modification itch into this car.

I also have a facelift 1.0, which I bought off a friend as "parts", although it was mainly to help them out and get rid of it. I understand the 1.0 is just a de-stroked 1.3? Either way, aesthetically the engines all look identical so I'm sure I can make use of odds and sods if I need them.

Updates are definitely going to be slow for now; currently restoring my mine and my wife's camper (it started a simple Sill patch....) and I sorta promised I'd get it done for next summer and part of the small print of me buying Micra #2. But once that's done, I'm hoping it'll be 110% fun-times!

Well that's about it for now.

Glad to be here, and hopefully might get out and about and actually physically join the Micra community instead of being my normal hermit self!

Oh, and as soon as I get the time, totally going to snap some pictures of the boys together!

For now, here's some of the squad before I got the Black one.

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Last week, where I live we, had a small monsoon, which not only flooded my work, but also Yin. I looked outside after the rain stopped to see all the windows steamed up. Sh*t! Quickly ran out, checked inside and- yup, cold dank passenger foot spa. Not the optional extra I really wanted.

After crying a little, remembering how proud I was of owning a Micra that didn't leak (is it really a Micra if it doesnt leak?), I embraced my oath to look after this little thing, and started manically looking for the source.

After looking on google for the source, I found Polly's rebuild (again, WHAT a read!) and so I started carefully taking the dash out to inspect the offending grommet, fearing as what happened to Paul, my ecu could be at risk.

However, this was my first mistake, without checking, I presumed the ecu was under the passenger footwell, as it was on my MX5, and as my water appeared to be getting in behind the passenger A-pillar trim, I kinda just skim read, connected lots of ill-fated dots and presumed I had the same issue as Paul. Nah of course it wasn't. Hindsight is a poohead.

Anyway, pointlessly took out the dash (at this point I still thought I was doing god's work however)

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I didnt have a torx bit that'd fit the steering wheel airbag bolt, so I just had to drop the steering column and "ease" the dash over the stalks, very nearly lost my wiper stalk... Not exactly known for my finesse, alas, it lives.

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This is my first experience working on a Micra. I loved it!
Half this crap came out with a single screw driver! Only took an hour, going in completely blind. Didnt even break any plastic trims or clips! (A first for me; the king of glue and cable ties)

Also found some odd relics from previous owners:

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"Various"... pretty ominous.
This fell out of the passenger side when the dash first came free. Not entirely sure how it got there. Might sort it out and give it a play.

However the prize for most awkward place to lose something goes to:

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These were wedged HARD into the foam matting on the firewall, get this... BEHIND the fan motor?! Literally no idea... I popped the fan motor all out and they were still stuck there, I had to peel them off and they left a glasses shaped imprint.

I was so surprised to find them, I didnt snap a picture of them in situe! ):

They look pretty rad, shame they don't fit my head tbh.

One job I did "while I was in there", was fix my fan speed resistor. Although I could've done this as the car was all together it seems... So far saved myself £8 thanks to the parts car... yay.

Anyway, this is where I found out the ECU was actually in the center, not footwell, and then one revelation lead to another making me realise the suspected grommet isnt where I thought it would be and thus Paul's fix was not my fix...

Did a little touchey feely with some foam. Found the source.

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The dreaded sunroof drain. (Reeeeeally could've not gone through all that hassle to find that out). I was always aware this was a thing, but stupidly didn't connect the right dots to figure it out first thing.

That being said though, I'm not 100% sure this is absolutely it, but the foam was wet, the pipe was wet up the sides (as if It had been submerged within the sill) and everything below this area was damp, while everything above was bone dry. There is absolutely no evidence of current/previous water ingress anywhere else around that area of the dash, firewall, door seals or windscreen.

Can only presume, under that heavy rain, the Sill drain was blocked/obstructed and actually overflowed into the car? It REALLY rained that day.

Either way, as previous owner of the white one did before me; I'm going to reroute these drains into not-stupid places. As well as unblocking my Sill drains and maybe throwing some cavity wax in there too, as far as I could see the inside were still pretty mint so I feel the need to keep it that way.

After wasting my time taking the dash out, I'd ran out of time to fix this. However Ill post when I get round to finishing this all off, and hopefully no more leaky boi.
 
How good is the black super s mate
I’m after a really good example in white or black if you know of any

I recently put up a post and got no response

I’m looking for a low owner low milage well maintained example

Fair play by the way
 
Sweet to still the white one is still Alive , I'd recommend stripping the whole underseal off the underside may find hidden rust .and respraying them , don't underseal or re underseal it what kills them sadly and all Jap cars ,know from experience :( , ,
The sunroof drains I've done two ways , first is out the sill bungs or second is the a pillar gromet , then rear out the vents , (I chopped mine and fitted better vents and drilled and sealed the pipes out the bottom , the. Waxoil /dirty engine oil the sills,
Also do the scuttle clips , green and while bits on the scuttle on the n/s they leak,
But shame super s are so rare cause of idiots and banger boys :(

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Sweet to still the white one is still Alive , I'd recommend stripping the whole underseal off the underside may find hidden rust .and respraying them , don't underseal or re underseal it what kills them sadly and all Jap cars ,know from experience :( , ,
The sunroof drains I've done two ways , first is out the sill bungs or second is the a pillar gromet , then rear out the vents , (I chopped mine and fitted better vents and drilled and sealed the pipes out the bottom , the. Waxoil /dirty engine oil the sills,
Also do the scuttle clips , green and while bits on the scuttle on the n/s they leak,
But shame super s are so rare cause of idiots and banger boys :(

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I hate the banger boys myself
Seen a group of the muppets from Ireland here the purchased a k11 march box and wrecked it in banger racing

I also know another muppet who done the same with a mint condition march G# and wrecked it also
 
How good is the black super s mate
I’m after a really good example in white or black if you know of any

I recently put up a post and got no response

I’m looking for a low owner low milage well maintained example

Fair play by the way
From the one's I've seen over the 2-3 years I've been looking, this one is the best I've seen yet, hence why I jumped on it!

Same time as I bought the black one, there was another black one for sale, but he wanted £500 for it looked... a tad swiss cheesy, and that was body shots so I dread to think how the chassis looked.

Prices haven't seemed to shift much, MOT'd should be around £1000 depending on miles/condition and probably no more than £400 for anything else, again, depending on condition. Although they're rare, they are still only really a spec'd out 1.3 with cool bumpers (and an interior??). Which you can probably piece together for less than a grand with potentially a cleaner donor? Idk.

Personally I don't think I'll sell anytime soon, don't really care for the rarity and "investment" aspect, more I want to work, preserve and actually enjoy them aha.

Sweet to still the white one is still Alive , I'd recommend stripping the whole underseal off the underside may find hidden rust .and respraying them , don't underseal or re underseal it what kills them sadly and all Jap cars ,know from experience :( , ,
The sunroof drains I've done two ways , first is out the sill bungs or second is the a pillar gromet , then rear out the vents , (I chopped mine and fitted better vents and drilled and sealed the pipes out the bottom , the. Waxoil /dirty engine oil the sills,
Also do the scuttle clips , green and while bits on the scuttle on the n/s they leak,
But shame super s are so rare cause of idiots and banger boys :(

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Though it needs a lot of work, I'm still well up for doing the white one! Makes me feel like I'm continuing a lineage when I see pictures of it in the main page photos on here.

Haven't had chance to have the black one on the ramp yet, but that's definitely on my mind. After some looking, I reckon I could easily straighten out the slight front damage and I'll probably respray all the front panels (bumper, wings and bonnet) off the car and "while I'm in there" do a deep dive on the front end, cleaning, repairing and sealing anything. The body should polish up alright, the rear is especially good. So once I've done that it should be looking pretty swish.






Going back to the leak...

I've been rammed with work (hence huge delay in posting on here), but I managed to sort it (not 100% prevented, but I've stopped the water ingress for now)

I quickly poured some water into the sunroof water gallery things, and lo-behold, the front passenger one didn't drain away.

So as a quick first-off attempt before doing anything drastic, I shoved the air nozzle in there and gave it a squeeze. At first nothing happened, but I gave it some beans and there was a loud pop, followed by everything, including myself getting wet (the sunroof was open), but... then water came back down the pipe! (...and right back into my foot well)

I thought this was a bit odd, because when I stripped it back I couldn't find any dampness or evidence of water any further up the A pillar than the entrance to the sill. So if the pipe was fully blocked... I guess it was leaking down inside the A pillar?

I know the sill drains are a notoriously crap rot-box design, so just to check, I poured loads more water into the sunroof drains and thankfully, it appears either A: This is one of the few Micras with actually functioning sill drains... or B: Previous owner drilled some more holes...

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I do plan to re-route all the drains, as I know I bloody well should, but given that at this point I now knew the leak was fixed, and I didn't have much more time, I had to call it day.

Treated it to a wash first though. Got some beauty pixxx.

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My next job, is to find some original, or at least some better wheels.

Idk what the hell these things are, but they're gash, oxidising everywhere and missing center caps. The missing center caps is the bottom line for me.

I was going to use my old 14 inch MX5 wheels with some new 185/55's to get close to the original rolling radius, but I have a gut feel the MX5 center bore is smaller than Micra? Idk I havent looked into it beecccauuussseee...

...I think I'm soon going to look at at hopefully come home with 5 original Super S alloys with hubcaps from Ed, the person who I bought the white one off.

They'll need tyres, a lick of paint, and maybe a tad of refurb but I have all winter to get them ready so I'm game.

For now that's it. Car is running sweet. No knocks (although the spare wheel squeaking on the chassis is driving me insane) and loving every second!

I am 110% sure something will either break soon or some weird gremlin will show it's face, I look forward to trying to fix it with all the time I dont have :)
 

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Tbh k11s you can go upto 22inch dia, I'm running 185/60/14 and it runs , drives ect alot better and kinda corrects the Speedo problems k11s have,
And yeah the k11 have larger center bore then a mx5 , tho a router and a metal cutting bit can open the center to fit, (it's legit ways other then getting a machine shop,)
Almera GTi wheels are a direct fit , along with all N15 and sunny alloys of the early to late 90s ,
Yeah the drains can easily block or in some cases seen the pipes come off or split , or mine the sunroof moved (4 bolts Hold the glass) and leaked lol,


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Tbh k11s you can go upto 22inch dia, I'm running 185/60/14 and it runs , drives ect alot better and kinda corrects the Speedo problems k11s have,
And yeah the k11 have larger center bore then a mx5 , tho a router and a metal cutting bit can open the center to fit, (it's legit ways other then getting a machine shop,)
Almera GTi wheels are a direct fit , along with all N15 and sunny alloys of the early to late 90s ,
Yeah the drains can easily block or in some cases seen the pipes come off or split , or mine the sunroof moved (4 bolts Hold the glass) and leaked lol,


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I was thinking that... 185/60's were cheaper and we're like X% over original (or w/e it was according to tyre size comparer) and my first though was: "Oh maybe my speedo will read right"

I'll bare those wheels in mind for the white one possibly, really want to stay period correct, but I'm dead set on going stock on the black one. I mean I'm so keen to get rid of those things and going original was my plan so it's win win haha.

Yeah I'm going to go back an redo the drains, but I am also thinking "If it aint broke, dont fix it" for now.
 
Another thing I've been thinking about:

I love pressed plates, and both my micras came with a pair on... But for the black one I really want it to look 100% stock and "pure".

It's subtle, but I really want to get a plain, 90's period plate, and I found a website that offers just such a font.

For comparison, here's their options for the current legal UK font:
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aaand imo the most retro looking retro option:

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I cant decide if this is more 80's or 90's. They do have other retro options but this one is my personal fave.

Also in the designer it seems to space the 7 and the 2 oddly, does it for all numbers/fonts so not sure if that's a glitch or for some reason if that's how it is. I'm going to ask before I buy anything.

I think this is a bit too "Ford Granada" for a Micra, I also have the option of a nice border:

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Without the odd spacing, a set of these bad boys would be perfect. Probably going to treat myself to a set for Christmas.

Even more pedantic... I would love to get a dealer logo to have printed on the bottom!
 
Good news.

Yesterday I drove out to pick up some original Super S alloys from Ed. 5 of them to be exact.

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As per British weather standards; it was tipping it down all the way there, all the way back, and for the 5 minutes we were loading the wheels in, it felt the rain and wind both turned up to 11. Was nice and sunny by the time I'd got home and unloaded...

The alloys are all in reasonably good nick. My plans are to do some light refurb, paint them and get a brand new set of actually decent brand tires on them. Currently I'm sat on a mish-mash of budgets and it handles awfully. I'm sure an alignment wouldn't go amiss either.

As for tire size, Im considering moving up to something a tad larger diameter than 175/60's. As Nissan Boy pointed out, the speedo is reading off by about 5 mph nearer 60-70mph, and that's adding adding more mileage than I'm actually doing! Bah! I'll have to see how ridiculous the chunkier side wall looks.

The other good news; since I cleared the sunroof drain pipe, the car stayed absolutely bone dry during the entire trip. Not even steaming up the windows :)

Bad news to report, is I think my passenger side central locking solenoid/mechanism is sticking, or has worn. The interior handle flips as if it is locked, but the door can still be opened externally. However, after a decent slam, it then locks fine. I have also thought this could be something to do with the door sagging a bit on the tired hinges? Maybe it's not closing 100%? Idk Ill save that for a rainy day... just not this rainy day.
 

LiamC

I've ruined my car 🙁
Hi guys, finally thought I should show my face here.

I've been lurking around loads over the last 2 years or so, trying to learn as much as I can about Micras, and also have a gander at what y'all up to. Safe to say, I'm pretty excited to be here at last.

This might be quite an essay, but I'm a sucker for a long car-related story. (Still yet to catch up in Paul's build, what a read!)

Anyway:

Hi, my name is Luke, I'm 23 and live in Norfolk.

I've been pretty fortunate to own, drive, build and ruin a multitude of cars over the last few years. Including but not limited to: Mk1 1.8 MX5, MK4 Golf GTI, P38 2.5d Range Rover and currently E91 335d currently stage 2 running 380hp... But despite all that... I've allllllllways wanted a Micra; more specifically, a pre-facelift 1.3.

I've always been a huge fan of 80-90's japscrap. The crapper, the better. No idea why. I never questioned it.

I didn't actually know the Super S trim was a thing, almost buying a few normal sub £400 ones that had been knocking about locally, but usually not quite what I wanted: Already been slammed and ruined... I wanted that satisfaction myself.

Just to mention, since then, I have got through my stance phase, now in favour of cars that are actually drive-able and dont deafen everyone... So dont worry!

Anyhoo, one day (July 2018 I think?) I looked on Facebook to see a certain Ed Storer (I believe he is on here? If so; Hi!) was selling a cheap white Super S.

I saw the bumper, saw the fogs, saw the interior, saw the sunroof, pop out rear quarter windows... and fell in love!
I looked up what the Super S trim was all about, and basically decided it was Super S or die. (Purely for that 90's rally car front fogs vibe pretty much).

Ed's (or mine now I suppose) had all the bits I would've wanted to do to it anyway: Mid-level boot spoiler, sweet euro reflector, exhaust, slightly lowered etc, and after seeing how rare and expensive some bits were if I was to buy them separately, it was damn inevitable I was going to buy it... So I did just that!

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It's certainly rough, rusty and in need of serious TLC, but having my MX5 pretty much single-handedly taught me to weld, and I love working on older cars, so I had absolutely no issue with the work ahead.

I bought it, knowing full well it was various odds and sods he had lying about, and he was very honest about what he'd done, what needed doing etc. Very nice person and #noregrets!

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Unfortunately, due to work, life and maintaining other cars, this poor nugget is still sat in dry storage, awaiting a proper revival!

On a slight tangent; my morning commute is only 4 miles, and any trips I do into town or round family/friends is no more than 10 miles, which for my BMW really isnt that long. Often Ill be nearly at work and my heater is only just warming up properly, and my stage 2 map isn't the cleanest (no smoke, no poke am I right?), so I'm still smoking out the roads pretty bad even when I get to work. On top of that, because of all that, I'm lucky to get 30mpg. Plus service/repair bills HURT.

So, for a while now I'd been looking for a cheap daily. But nothing really sat right.

I can deal with slow, I can deal with small and basic, but it has to have that ONE thing that makes it all worthwhile.

It was kinda tearing me apart that I didn't have the time to fix up my White one, as it would of fit the bill perfectly and would've made me hap- ... Oh look there's a black Super S for sale! Its only 50 miles away? Its great condition? I just got payed?. You're goddamn right I bought it!

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Havent actually got my own photos of this so far, so these are the sale photos.

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60k miles, MOT till March, hardly any rust and the cherry on top... 100% original. (apart from the wheels, urgh, HMU if you have a set!)

Been bombing around in it for a few weeks now, getting 41mpg, nice and toasty by just the end of my road and thankfully as my commute is so short, I'm easily preserving the low mileage, while also making sure the car gets used! Perfect.

So that's where I'm at right now. I'm hoping this blog will be a little motivation and log for the work I carry out on both these little 90's turd nuggets.

The name Yin and Yang came mainly because they're Black/White, but also as their conditions are so different, it's also inspired my plans for each...

Yin (Black one):
Promised myself to keep it standard and MINT. It's too good of an example not to look after it!
Could probably do with a chain and belt change, it's a bit rattly and belt looks worn.
Definitely going to source some original Super S alloys.
Has a few little rough edges to sort; Slight damage on NSF wing/bumper, passenger foot well gets wet under heavy rain, electric windows are a tad shot etc...
In essence, it will be a daily/lightly driven rolling restoration, not that I think Ill ever sell it, but for the first time In my life with a car, I feel like I've been something special I need to preserve and properly look after.

Yang (White one):
As I'm doing my bit of preserving the Super S name with the Yin, Yang's the one that's gonna GET IT.
Lots of bodywork fixing to sort; welding, paint etc...
Then I'm hoping it'll become a small pocket rocket screaming boosty boi.
It already got a few little mods done to it, but Im just going to do as I will with it. My MX5 looks pretty rad, but I never got round to making it fast, so I'm hoping Ill channel that modification itch into this car.

I also have a facelift 1.0, which I bought off a friend as "parts", although it was mainly to help them out and get rid of it. I understand the 1.0 is just a de-stroked 1.3? Either way, aesthetically the engines all look identical so I'm sure I can make use of odds and sods if I need them.

Updates are definitely going to be slow for now; currently restoring my mine and my wife's camper (it started a simple Sill patch....) and I sorta promised I'd get it done for next summer and part of the small print of me buying Micra #2. But once that's done, I'm hoping it'll be 110% fun-times!

Well that's about it for now.

Glad to be here, and hopefully might get out and about and actually physically join the Micra community instead of being my normal hermit self!

Oh, and as soon as I get the time, totally going to snap some pictures of the boys together!

For now, here's some of the squad before I got the Black one.

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So that's where that car ended up. You seem to have really caught the bug and want to look after these terrible economy cars that we all know and adore. Look forward to seeing lots more about both cars, but they all rattle on start up for a couple of seconds so I wouldn't worry, just a standard service. And yeah, 1.0s have different cranks, rods, pistons, cams and flywheels. The gearboxes are shorter ratio, but that being a facelift it will fit your 1.3 engine and give much better acceleration if you're wanting. The crank pulley is lighter on the 1.0, as is the fly, so swapping them over will give a bit less rotational mass.

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