SR20DET Swap?

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slyboogie

How hard is it? I wouldn't mind turboing my K10 and the SR20DET has tonnes of parts available for it, so i figured i'd be better doing that than turboing a K10 engine. Basically whats involved and how much would it cost me overall if i did all/most of the work myself? My dad can do welding so thats not necesarily a problem.

This would be something i'd do in the future if i keep my K10. I'd probably buy a running engine/car and rebuild it over time then go ahead and put it in.
 
think about it realisticly, you have to really know what your doing if your planning on doing the work yaself, idealy your gonna want to have some sort of expeiriance of engine conversions, i no you have to start somewhere but theres far easier conversions you can do, if your plannning on making a safe raod worthy conversion then its gotta be done right down to the last detail. i can do basic stuff, suspension, brakes, carbs, maybe even an engine swap, but a conversion is way out of my reach, at the moment anyway. best to leave somthing like this to the pro's but it'll cost a dam site more. if not you'll end up spending money on something that will eventualy end up in a scrap yard.
 
Im currently having a SR20 fitted into mine. The costs aren't cheap and then there's insurance once the job is done. You will need custom made engine mounts and drive shafts, uprated suspension, brakes etc!
 
For the cost of it, I PERSONALLY wouldn't bother spending thousands like this on an old chassis, I would rather do it to something more modern, with a safer shell. When you're put that kind of power into a shoe box. If you're going to do an engine conversion like this you need to look at the wider picture.

If you just want to build a unique track car go for it. Just make sure you look into the details and the amount of work and money required. The engine conversion is expensive. Then adding a turbo and getting it mapped is also very expensive. But then you've also got to look at (as arnold said) uprating the suspension as well as the braking system. If i were going to get a lot of power out of one of these I would also improve the safety aspects. Look at a roll cage at least, if not extra strength around the chassis.
If you want it just for the power, then just buy a car with a bigger engine. I've just picked up a 2.5 litre Mondeo for £300. A bigger engine car will be cheaper than a car modified to have a bigger engine insurance wise!!
 
Because the car has more weight, and power!

I'm planning on taking mine around a race track or two, so being able to stop would be a bonus.
 
SammoHung said:
may be this is a silly question...but:
why brakes?
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Bigger power means bigger brakes. You try stopping a 2 liter turbo on 1.2 brakes, you stand little chance, especially if your about to have an accident/. Its the rule basically, bigger power means a better chassis, suspension and brake setup. Don't do it or cskimp on cheap stuff at your own peril!

I wasn't planning on doing this now, i meant down the line. however after someone said about the ford i might get a Escort MK4 RS Turbo first, i saw one and had a go in one (yes on private property before anyone has a go at me) running 15PSI boost and its mental. Especially seeing as they have the potential for a good 25PSI easy. I think i might do this for speed and the micra for a cruiser.
 
slyboogie said:
Bigger power means bigger brakes. You try stopping a 2 liter turbo on 1.2 brakes, you stand little chance, especially if your about to have an accident/. Its the rule basically, bigger power means a better chassis, suspension and brake setup. Don't do it or cskimp on cheap stuff at your own peril!

I wasn't planning on doing this now, i meant down the line. however after someone said about the ford i might get a Escort MK4 RS Turbo first, i saw one and had a go in one (yes on private property before anyone has a go at me) running 15PSI boost and its mental. Especially seeing as they have the potential for a good 25PSI easy. I think i might do this for speed and the micra for a cruiser.
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RS Turbos are awesome!! I put an RS Turbo lump in my MKII orion (basically a MK IV Escort with a boot) and was running it on 20PSI. Was great until the turbo broke. Only thing is to watch out for the oil filler cap, it keeps flying off during boost!!! lol
 
I'm not even using an RS Turbo gearbox, still the standard Orion Gearbox with AP Racing Clutch.

Car's back down to a sensible 0.5-0.6 bar when i replace the turbo!
 
lol, the orions are ok but i don't like the taillights! otehr than that got no problems at all. Like i say, i'm a MK4 Escort Guy ;) I had an XR3i myself and it rocked. Well, till i blew it sky high anyway, popped the exhaust off and stripped the manifold studs out the block, and snapped the cambelt at the same time :(
 
Well I share a lock up with a couple of guys, between us we've got:
MK I Orion
MK II Orion RS Turbo
XR2i
Series 1 RS Turbo
MK III escort
Escort Cabriolet
and a ford Anglia
We're the ford fanatics of Sheppey :D
 
lol all those and you still have a micra :D Never liked teh S1/Mk3's myself, always been a mk4 upwards fan. Wouldn't mind a fezzie rs turbo actually, seeing as i assume it would handle better and go a bit faster due to the missing weight?
 
slyboogie said:
lol all those and you still have a micra :D Never liked teh S1/Mk3's myself, always been a mk4 upwards fan. Wouldn't mind a fezzie rs turbo actually, seeing as i assume it would handle better and go a bit faster due to the missing weight?
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In theory yeah, but as standard they only had a T2 or T25 turbo. Can't remember which one actually. But it's smaller than the Escorts T3. So therefore not as much boost but comes in quicker. I'd say the fezzas probably got better acceleration and handling but escort better top speed.
 
Something extra concerning uprating the brakes, typical nissan (regardless of model) the standard brakes are nearly always too pathetic for the standard engine let alone one twice the size.
 
Wrenchable said:
Something extra concerning uprating the brakes, typical nissan (regardless of model) the standard brakes are nearly always too pathetic for the standard engine let alone one twice the size.
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haha - true! In my early years of playing with K10s many times the front stock brakes got cooked so bad they just let of clouds of smoke.
 
mines turboed now :)

lol

everything sorted nearly aswell (bar body work)

just need to build the mega squirt and install the intercooler rest of the engine work is done!

and i can tell ya it not that easy, if you dont have resource, money, experiance!

wiring is an absolute mare, NATS - no NATS. but easily achievable!

best advise is to research for ages first rather than just say what the hell just do it!

i was doing exactly as arnold was doing and going N?A to start with, but i had the oppertunity to go turbo and save myself ALOT of money. so it was just a logical progression!

DONT RUSH, thats the killer. ive wanted mine on the road so much, but i know if i just finish the engine ill forget about the bodywork or at least rush it!

and thats not what i want!

the fact i just moved 250 miles away from it too! and spent a grand on bond for my new studio flat dont help progress!

hopefully i shall be able to get it down to were i am though so i can then work on it there as i wont be home that often!

its definatly worth it, but as a few people have found out it can be awkward. its a shame batch never seen his through!

and i guarentee you WILL need another car whilst its in progress too!
 
yeah i'd like to see your engine. I'm assuming being a nissan it's responded well to turbo?

What was involved + cost? A full list wouldn't go amiss so i can see just whats involved as it's something i definitely want to do in the future. I'm going for CBR600 carbs as my next major mod, would these be ok with forced induction?
 
Well the carbs aren't injected, so i don't know if that'l cause a problem with forced induction. Also with a normal setup, you've got the one pipe going into the throttle body / air box of the car, from the intercooler, but the CBR's have four seperate ones - this may also cause problems.

Quicky. I'm interested to know what cost savings were made from going straight to turbo. I don't mean i want the job botched to save a bit of cash or anything, so what did you do? Avoid buying parts that will end up being replaced?
 
carbs are not easy to turbo or s/c, you either have to pressurize the float chambers ( else it pushes the fuel down the mainjet ) or mount them BEFORE the turbo s/c
 
Ah ok. Well turboing would be at least a good year and a bit away, so i'l do the carbing for the time being. Any chance of that list of parts?

So how do you get around the fueling? Independant fuel management system?
 
Arnold said:
Quicky. I'm interested to know what cost savings were made from going straight to turbo. I don't mean i want the job botched to save a bit of cash or anything, so what did you do? Avoid buying parts that will end up being replaced?
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bought a turboed gti :)

but then ripped engine out and stripped turbo etc.

needed a car and he hadnt completed the conversion!

bought the full gti - ph1 - complete with turbo - apexi etc for £700

ill get some photos yeah!

there should be some lingering around any ways!

the turbo engine
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the n/a out
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the n/a in the bay
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the gti
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needs body work starting now before i put the shafts in!

got my new ecu, just waiting for the intercooler to arrive!

but i wont get time to play with it, so arnolds will be roadworthy first!

cost?

haha

too much over the last 4 years!

seriously too much, but if i dont complete it ill feel i let myself down, especially since the engine is done, just needs the body work doing!

The car a cpl of years ago with the 1.2
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stripped with new panels all rust free
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starting to get back to shape!
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the bonnet!
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the front under cover
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a304/qddevelopments/my 2ltr k10/P1010091.jpg


should really transfer to ts own thread really!

sorry for taking over thread!
 
could easily get all the parts you would need from a figaro, there was one going cheep on ebay not so long ago. what happen to that? did someone here get it?
 
didn't take over my thread, i asked for photo's lol!

you should start a blog if you haven't that looks like an awesome project!

i know what you mean about not completeing projects. No exaggerating i've had a good 50-60 cars over the last 3 years and i've now got two because i never completed a project. So, now i have a micra that can be used on the road, then i've got a Rover 216SI bubble in the garage, which is getting a full MG ZR conversion on it, including all running gear like brakes etc, possibly the MG gearbox, full MG interior, but the catch is i'll be running a 1.6, their normaally all 1.4's and 1.8's so i get more power than 1.4 and better MPG than the 1.8, with the ability to keep up with both. Ten will be the 2.0 turbo a few years down the line, running somewhere abou 250bhp+ if all goes well!
 

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