Rear wiper not working

The rear wiper motor on my 51 plate has stopped working. The fuse is ok and I'm I'm getting 12v to the motor. Might it be the relay and if so where can this be located? Any help/advice would be appreciated.
Thanks.
 

pollyp

Club Member
when u switch on the rear wiper, hear a relay click and the connector is showing 12v but the motor doesn't move when connected up, the motors faulty.
motor relay is near the rear right lights.
 
I don't hear a click. In fact I have tried another motor and the result is the same. What colour is the relay. There are some connections under the carpet on the right side behind the rear lights, is that where you mean?
 

pollyp

Club Member
is 12v getting to the connector plug? relay is black cube, there's two relays inside the c-pillar/wheel well cavity hole where you access the rear lights.
 

pollyp

Club Member
It's up inside the c-piller. If 12v reaches the plug end, the motor should convert that voltage to movement, unless the switch or relay ain't providing 100% connection.
 

andy

Ex. Club Member
can put 12v to the wiper motor to test its getting the power to work it, if it the wiper motor does not operate, ya know that's the fault, i know it doesn't help ya locate the relay.
 
I get 12v at the motor but don't hear a click from the relay which I still can't locate. Because I'm getting a reading from the motor I assume that's ok and the fault lies with the relay. That's where I am at the moment.
 
It's up inside the c-piller. If 12v reaches the plug end, the motor should convert that voltage to movement, unless the switch or relay ain't providing 100% connection.
I've locate the relay now. Can this be tested or is it a case of replacing with another. There is no click when the switch is turned on. Also do I need to get exactly 12v at the motor because today my multi meter showed 11.97v!!
 

pollyp

Club Member
I've locate the relay now. Can this be tested or is it a case of replacing with another. There is no click when the switch is turned on. Also do I need to get exactly 12v at the motor because today my multi meter showed 11.97v!!

long as it's near enough 12v. does the voltage to the motor change as the stork is turned on/off? if it's constantly 12v, either the relay or the stork switch is stuck/fused on.
the relays have a diagram of their pin-outs. u could check if the electromag coils Ohm is intact or burned out.
could prob swap over the rear demister relay next to it to check if it's a relay or circuit problem.
but you say the motors connector is showing 12v, a normal working motor should move but urs don't so the fault is the motor failing to convert voltage into movement. sometimes the sliding contacts inside the motor assembly can wear out.
 
There's always 12v at the motor to reset it back to park. The other 12v from the relay( which you're not getting) is for normal operation. Its unusual for relays to fail. Check for ground and 12v at the relay coil.
 
long as it's near enough 12v. does the voltage to the motor change as the stork is turned on/off? if it's constantly 12v, either the relay or the stork switch is stuck/fused on.
the relays have a diagram of their pin-outs. u could check if the electromag coils Ohm is intact or burned out.
could prob swap over the rear demister relay next to it to check if it's a relay or circuit problem.
but you say the motors connector is showing 12v, a normal working motor should move but urs don't so the fault is the motor failing to convert voltage into movement. sometimes the sliding contacts inside the motor assembly can wear out.

The switch works for the front wipers and and front and rear washers, its only the rear wiper that doesn't respond. I will try swapping the deminster relay but it doesn't appear to be along side the rear wiper one.
 

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So, I've checked out the relay and that is fine and so with 12v getting to the motor I'm left with the switch on the stalk. Everything else there functions ok - front wiper and front and rear wash. I have tried another motor and it's made no difference.
 

pollyp

Club Member
according to the wiring circuit, the motor receives constant 12v feed via blue wire (to keep gear spinning during wipe till its returned to "park" position), ground via black, and a switched 12v via light green wire (to trigger movement when gear in "park" position).

I would measure light green & black wire whilst switching wiper on off to check all the circuit & relay is actually working, sending a trigger voltage to the motor.

if the circuit is working ok, next is check the motors circuit is intact.
motor is usually still in Park position awaiting a trigger voltage from lt green to set it off. so measure the ohms between where the lt green & black wires would go on the motors connector and it should be intact.
if there's no reading then either the sliding contact on the spinning gear for the 12v trigger circuit is worn out (common) and/or the motor is worn/damaged.

the rivets holding the cover plate over the spindle gear can be grinded off to expose the sliding contacts and inspect their condition. you'll need to carefully drill & tap new holes to screw the cover back on.

here's when I disassembled the front wiper motor, rear motors the same procedure
https://www.micra.org.uk/threads/pollymobiles-rebuild.35251/page-116#post-701391

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I can confirm that the wiper is working when connected direct to the battery and as the relay is also ok I can only presume the fault lies with the switch on the column stalk? The operation for the front wipers and both front and rear washers is fine. How easy is the stalk to replace?
 
Thanks. Would you agree with my appraisal of the situation then or is there anything else it might be. I have checked the wiring into the tailgate as I've read it can wear at this point.
 

pollyp

Club Member
I usually diagnose n check each unit & wiring along the circuit route from battery towards motor is working till I find a fault. When u remove the stork check it should be making two connections.
 
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