PETITION Motorists Face Court Costs EVEN IF Not Guilty

MicraFish

Rollin' with Diesel and V8 Power
Signed - bar-stewards!! Trying to nab more money out us poor motorists! We pay enough flipping taxes and money just to keep our cars on the road, we don't need this too!
 

ollyc98

Ex. Club Member
I'm not signing it, it makes absolutely no difference to the way the country is run, the government keeps making decisions on their own with no input from the people.

Instead I just won't turn up to court as I wouldn't be able to afford legal representation, that'll cost them more when they have to find and arrest me.
 

MicraFish

Rollin' with Diesel and V8 Power
The guys on Pistonheads are saying surely it's against the Human Rights Act. However do I remember correctly that either Labour or Tories are going to abolish that Act?
You'd be surprised Olly, most petitions like this end up in our favour.
So much for this 'democracy', mind. grr
 

MicraFish

Rollin' with Diesel and V8 Power
You know the Government and the Bourgeosie Elite, the law does not apply to them remember? The ones with all the money?
When the whole claims scandal came about, I found out that making false claims to take from the Public Purse was classed as Money Laundering - have any politicians come to trial? Hell No.
This whole country makes me sick, it's the opposite of Robin Hood and his Merry Men - Instead take from the POOR to give to the RICH.

Stupid bloody Labour/Tories/Government in General. grr
 

NeX

You're after my robot bee
Club Member
ahahahahahahaha i remember why i left England, its crap like that that makes me feel so glad i am not in that screwed up country anymore.

the bit that made me laugh the most was, "the looser pays, this is costing the government too much money" lol so the government are sick of paying for their mistakes?
 

capnmchl

Ex. Club Member
Self elected dictatorship sums up our parlimentry system.

Surely the police should be told to stop taking people to caught for outdated speed limits etc, instead of making innocent people pay for their innocence. It almost seems as though if you get a speeding ticket, and take it to court, and come out innocent, that you'll still loose, because you'll have to pay legal costs, so it'll be cheaper to just pay the friggin ticket. Just seems so morally wrong, and illegal.
 

Antony

Ex. Club Member
it is illegal.

if you cannot afford the court costs, you will be prosecuted and have all of your details on the government databases. something they are trying to do now anyway.

it is writen in the magna carter (or somewhere) that this countries legal system was founded on the dogma "innocent untill proven guilty"

this government is pushing their dogma of "guilty unless they can afford to prove they are innocent"

i have just been stopped by the fuzz for driving my girlfriend back to her house to changer her shoes. now it is her car, she is fully comprehensive and i have my car and i am fully comprehensive, apparently there is some new by-law that states unless you are a named driver you are NOT insured to drive any other car. did they mention that at any point to the public? cos i wasnt aware of it. and now i face a driving ban and upto £5000 fine all for wanting to help my girlfriend.
now they are saying that if i am found innocent i still have to pay for the right (my human right) to a fair and unbiased trial?

if the justice system is governed by money how can anyone with no money possibly have acces to a fair hearing? its all a crock but nobody in this country has enough backbone to do anything about it. we all just sit here typing away and complaining. something we have been doing since the second world war. we sit down and write up a potition that A, no one will read and B, even if they do they wont give a damn cos it wont make them any money.


I HATE THIS COUNTRY, I HATE THIS GOVERNMENT AND I HATE THE STORM TROOPER FASCIST REGEIME THE POLICE ARE ENFORCING. everything you see on tv with the police just makes their reputation worse and worse and worse...
 

ollyc98

Ex. Club Member
Which is why I didn't sign it, I choose the more active route of refusing to show up to court cos I can't afford it, win or lose.

I think they are trying to win a bet: how stupid are the english. First imigration, then stupid taxes, expenses now this. I'm betting noone with power will stand up and say anything.


Civil war anyone?
 

Ian

Ex. Club Member
it is illegal.

if you cannot afford the court costs, you will be prosecuted and have all of your details on the government databases. something they are trying to do now anyway.

it is writen in the magna carter (or somewhere) that this countries legal system was founded on the dogma "innocent untill proven guilty"

this government is pushing their dogma of "guilty unless they can afford to prove they are innocent"

i have just been stopped by the fuzz for driving my girlfriend back to her house to changer her shoes. now it is her car, she is fully comprehensive and i have my car and i am fully comprehensive, apparently there is some new by-law that states unless you are a named driver you are NOT insured to drive any other car. did they mention that at any point to the public? cos i wasnt aware of it. and now i face a driving ban and upto £5000 fine all for wanting to help my girlfriend.
now they are saying that if i am found innocent i still have to pay for the right (my human right) to a fair and unbiased trial?

if the justice system is governed by money how can anyone with no money possibly have acces to a fair hearing? its all a crock but nobody in this country has enough backbone to do anything about it. we all just sit here typing away and complaining. something we have been doing since the second world war. we sit down and write up a potition that A, no one will read and B, even if they do they wont give a damn cos it wont make them any money.


I HATE THIS COUNTRY, I HATE THIS GOVERNMENT AND I HATE THE STORM TROOPER FASCIST REGEIME THE POLICE ARE ENFORCING. everything you see on tv with the police just makes their reputation worse and worse and worse...

There's been a misconception about fully comp insurance, that it it automatically allows you to drive anything. You have to have a policy which states "you can drive any other vehicle" with some extra terms abotu that. Or a named driver.
 

MicraFish

Rollin' with Diesel and V8 Power
Antony - She could have driven barefoot - I often do when I'm wearing rubbish shoes for it! :wasntme:

It's a good point you made, but the way I see it is that anything we try and do to 'fight' against the so-called 'regime' of this country, we will get prosecuted for. There's no point in trying to fight against 'The Man', back in civil war times the Government was a lot more simplistic than it is nowadays.
I don't like it as much as anyone else on here, but we won't win against the Government, they can do whatever they want.
 

ollyc98

Ex. Club Member
but we won't win against the Government, they can do whatever they want.

We could but we'd all have to act together. Unfortunately non motorists won't cos it doesn't affect them.

I wonder what policies the BNP has on motoring.... they've got my vote anyway.
 

NeX

You're after my robot bee
Club Member
again, i left england cos it sux :D i am so glad that i am not there, jump ship people government cant govern an empty country
 

capnmchl

Ex. Club Member
We could but we'd all have to act together. Unfortunately non motorists won't cos it doesn't affect them.

I wonder what policies the BNP has on motoring.... they've got my vote anyway.

As depressingy as it is, I've looked into it, and the only party who has any decent plans for the road system and transport system are the conservatives. And by decent, I don't mean making everything green, I mean, building new roads, transport links, etc etc.
 

Tom 1.0

Ex. Club Member
As depressingy as it is, I've looked into it, and the only party who has any decent plans for the road system and transport system are the conservatives. And by decent, I don't mean making everything green, I mean, building new roads, transport links, etc etc.


Oh dear.... :(
 

Robb

Site Supporter
Not to sound naive or owt but its bureaucracy that is crippling this country, thats what it all comes back to, and all the major parties will work it into every aspect of our lives one way or another. Thats why certain other first world countries appear so much nicer places to live cos they dont stuff their countries up with busy body jobsworth nazis.
 

capnmchl

Ex. Club Member
The reason our country doesn't work is because, as i said, it's a self elected dictatorship.

You vote in some people, they make up some laws and policys that you might or might not aggree with, and then put them in power, without any of the people that gave them their chance to do something good for the country having a chance to decided wether they like them or not. And you have to sit through 4 years of it, till you can vote in someone different, who's gonna do exactly the same thing. Also, you don't directly elect your leader here, like in the US, you elect a team of people who specialise in different things.

What we need, is some sort of non corrupt military coup, with standards. Not for very long, but for a decent amount of time (4 or 5 years) who won't take #### from any left wing #######s or OAP's, and use the money from government to make a decent transport system, cut down bueracracy, let big housing, commercial and industrial developments go ahead, and generally make the country into a workable place, without fear of some greenpeace hippy standing in the way, or bueracracy slowing things down. That's how places like dubai were built so quickly. Don't take no for an answer, and make stuff happen, instead of waiting for someone to find someone to sign something else someone wrote whilst making a stupid law.
 

daveeeeee

Ex. Club Member
threads like these make me think how ungratefull we are as a nation to be living in one of the richest contries in the world, spend a month in Ethiopia or Republic of the Congo, you'd be begging to come back within a day.
 

ollyc98

Ex. Club Member
living in one of the richest contries in the world,

The country may be rich but we aren't, the government is working hard to take all that we have.

We've spent years trying to free iraq from their dictatorship and forgotten about our own country
 

daveeeeee

Ex. Club Member
all of us here are rich. its all relative, we all focus on material items but overlook the fact that we get clean running water, a free health service, law enforcement, fire service on top of that t.v's, computers, internet, a roof over our heads bearing in mind a car itself is a luxury. we all focus on the bad things when really (and im gonna get lynched for this) our government has done alot of good for use over the years, there never going to be the good guys however there to easy to blame, decisions are made where some people come off better some come off worse but thats just life people in this country spend too much time moaning
 

James

Chairman
Just got a reply from this petition, sounds like as usual they're dodging the main issue:

Read the Government’s response

While the Government accepts that individuals who are acquitted in the magistrates’ court should continue to have access to Central Funds, it is essential that we also target our resources effectively, secure value for money for the taxpayer and control areas of overspend in our budget.
The Government does not believe that defendants will be more likely to plead guilty to offences they would otherwise deny. Defendants who pay for representation privately do so without certainty that they will be acquitted. If acquitted, there is no guarantee that any particular sum would be assessed as reasonable.
We believe that the rates we pay for criminal cases under legal aid are both fair and sustainable and should be available on the open market.
We believe that lawyers are able to provide a reasonable service at legal aid rates, but if a defendant wants to have, for example, a senior partner’s undivided attention, he may be prepared to pay more for a “premium service”, but would have to understand that he would not recover all of these costs.
Information relating to the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) consultation on Award of Costs from Central Funds is available on the MoJ website.
 

NeX

You're after my robot bee
Club Member
lol, they need to cover areas they over spend in, maybe they should stop taking so many innocent people to court then?

how about replacing the speed cameras with real people? that way they wont have so many wrong convictions?

nope cos that would cost them money...
 

NeX

You're after my robot bee
Club Member
all of us here are rich. its all relative, we all focus on material items but overlook the fact that we get clean running water, a free health service, law enforcement, fire service on top of that t.v's, computers, internet, a roof over our heads bearing in mind a car itself is a luxury. we all focus on the bad things when really (and im gonna get lynched for this) our government has done alot of good for use over the years, there never going to be the good guys however there to easy to blame, decisions are made where some people come off better some come off worse but thats just life people in this country spend too much time moaning

i think i have to disagree here.

yes as far as things go we are doing well to have running water etc. but that shouldn't be considered rich, that should be considered standard, that all human beings should have access too, the problem is that the people who don't have this should get it, rather than we should be greatful that we do have it. as a race we have the power so that all of us could live like kings, it is actually the greed of goverments that are holding us back from that.
 
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