k11 march help needed !!!

[emmet_gti]

ok so yesterday i went to start my car and it wouldnt start, i discovered it wasnt getting a spark so i put a different distributor on it today and it fired up first turn,

then earlier on i started it again, turned it off and went to start it again and nothing, but it will go on a push start, its not the battery i dont think as it should be fully charged,

is it something to do with my ignition? the car wont turn over, when i try turn the key all i hear is 1 or 2 relays clicking?

Anybody got any suggestions?

 

[decxter]

rusted earth points on the starter motor prehaps?

 

[emmet_gti]

ill try that keep the suggestions coming

 

[emmet_gti]

no joy yet, when i try turning it over it does nothing, the lights all stay lit on the dash

 

[Guy]

Have you tried jumping it Emmet? Sometimes batteries can measure good but the voltage collapses when you put a load on the battery.

 

[emmet_gti]

my family are away and my car is parked behind two cars so theres no way to jump start it yeah maybe the battery is bolloxed

 

[decxter]

The way I am picking it up is that when you turn the key it just clicks twice then nothing. To me this sounds like an issue with the starter motor not engaging or something like that.

 

[frank]

i doubt if its the battery if the dashlights are,nt dimming, more like a bad connection maybe ?
did,nt stani have a similar problem a month or two ago

 

[emmet_gti]

i push started the car and it starts,i checked the voltage in the battery when it was running and its 16 volts, is that too high?

 

[emmet_gti]

could be the starter but i dont see how it goes out of no where

 

[frank]

i push started the car and it starts,i checked the voltage in the battery when it was running and its 16 volts, is that too high?

sounds like a bad connection then, because the battery is,nt pulling the voltage down

 

[emmet_gti]

where would there be a bad connection

 

[Stani1029]

Battery fuse?? My problem was the ecu fuse which cut fuel and spark frank

 

[frank]

where would there be a bad connection

if you had the meter across the battery terminals then a meter problem or the battery really is overvolted (but it would probably be bubbling @ 16v)
or if you had the meter across the battery leads then maybe the terminal clamp ?

 

[emmet_gti]

ive used the meter loads of times its good, i had the leads from the meter touching the battery terminals, i dont understand why it wont turn over using the key, is it something to do with the ignition or a bad connection

 

[r-reg-sr]

ign switch gives up also

 

[emmet_gti]

were is the ignition switch?

 

[Stani1029]

Right behind where your key goes in. It screws onto the back of your ignition barrel. If your dash lights arent coming on thats when id check that tbh as i took mines apart for no reason. Check all fuses properly

 

[emmet_gti]

i have checked all fuses inside and out, does it just unplug?

 

[emmet_gti]

i was looking at my ignition switch, its very awkward to take off so i left it, i think ill try a new starter/ or using jump leads if i can

 

[baguete]

Something like this?

 

[emmet_gti]

i flashed the codes on my ecu and it came up 55 which means nothing is wrong, could it be that the battery is dead from being boiled from 16volts?

 

[r-reg-sr]

i was looking at my ignition switch, its very awkward to take off so i left it, i think ill try a new starter/ or using jump leads if i can

bending the tip of a small star screwdriver 90 degrees, say a centimeter or two from top
would allow you to make the ign switch screw loose in the position it is without stripping anything
then a small electrical screwdriver unscrews the rest, unplug it,plug the next one in then screw it back in behind the key barrel
while the switch is off the connector theirs a way to hot wire, connect 2 points of the plug gets you ignition lights on dash the 3rd connection kicks in the starter motor to start,then release 3rd connection when cars started
my 3 way wire

 

[baguete]

You should have a connector from the ignition switch to the car loom, disconnect it and wire these together:

black/white (B - 12+)
white (A - radio on)
green/white (IGN1)
brown (IGN2)

At this time you should have the dash lights on, radio on, etc...

Then join these wires together:

red (R - Starter1)
black/yellow (S - Starter2)

These are the wires that will get the starter to work.

Now join these 2 wires to the other 4, as soon as the engine starts, disconnect these 2 wires. Hope this can help...

 

[emmet_gti]

ive a march and the wiring colors are different thanks anyway

 

[baguete]

ive a march and the wiring colors are different thanks anyway

Dude, i have a March too and im talking about the correct colours. European K11 have 5 wires for the ignition switch, the March has 6 wires, like on the pic i posted.

Wires on the March ignition switch to the March loom:

White/Red -> White/Black
Blue -> White
Black/White -> Green/White
Red -> Brown
Black/Green -> Red
Black/Yellow -> Black/Yellow

 

[emmet_gti]

thanks

 

[r-reg-sr]

yeh doing the hot wire will show if the switch is up the duff :grinning:

 

[emmet_gti]

yeh doing the hot wire will show if the switch is up the duff :grinning:

the switch isnt broke it still wouldnt start after i hot wired it, i put the meter across the connections for the starter and its showing 13volts

 

[frank]

the switch isnt broke it still wouldnt start after i hot wired it, i put the meter across the connections for the starter and its showing 13volts

in that case run/flick a piece of wire from the battery pos to the 10mm nut on the starter

 

[emmet_gti]

in that case run/flick a piece of wire from the battery pos to the 10mm nut on the starter

nothin happened??

 

[frank]

nothin happened??

so not ign switch or wires then, now join the 2 x 13mm terminals on the starter with a jumplead or fat wire (you should get quite a spark and the starter should run)

 

[emmet_gti]

where are the 13mm terminals? one of the ones with the 10mm nut on ? and the terminal beside it? do i connect the original positive wire to the 10mm nut?

 

[frank]

where are the 13mm terminals? one of the ones with the 10mm nut on ? and the terminal beside it? do i connect the original positive wire to the 10mm nut?

hotwiring the 10mm nut should throw the solenoid, and that solenoid then joins the 2 x 13mm nuts on the end of it (to fire the startermotor up)

 

[emmet_gti]

i dont quite understand which 13mm terminals to join but ill give it a go

 

[emmet_gti]

ok so i tried wat you said to do frank twice, once with the ignition on and once with it off, with the ignition off the starter turned but it didnt turn the engine, and with the ignition on there was no noise just sparks

 

[frank]

ok so i tried wat you said to do frank twice, once with the ignition on and once with it off, with the ignition off the starter turned but it didnt turn the engine, and with the ignition on there was no noise just sparks

no it wont turn the engine because the solenoid is,nt throwing (the starter will just spin)
if its spinning slower or not atall when the ignition is turned on, then it points to a flat battery

 

[emmet_gti]

possibly a flat battery, but why are the lights bright on the dash, maybe the battery is bolloxed from the 16volts it received yesterday when i left it running for 20mins

 

[frank]

possibly a flat battery, but why are the lights bright on the dash, maybe the battery is bolloxed from the 16volts it received yesterday when i left it running for 20mins

and you,ve slackened the battery terminal clamps given them a good twist ?

 

[emmet_gti]

i took them off and wire brushed them

 

[frank]

i took them off and wire brushed them

sounds like battery to me then mate cant you try a battery from another car just to see ?

 

[emmet_gti]

i dont have another jap battery!! ill just try jump leads tomorrow when my mother is home thanks frank, i let this battery go flat loads of times maybe thats the problem and now it wont hold its charge or something

 

[emmet_gti]

well today i tried jump leads from my mothers car(2 different sets) and still nothing, could it be the starter or starter relay or ignition relay? if there are such things

 

[emmet_gti]

also should the starter be getting 12/13volts without the ignition on?

 

[frank]

also should the starter be getting 12/13volts without the ignition on?

yes its constantly live, if the solenoid is,nt engaging when you live feed the 10mm nut and the battery is ok, then i would suspect a solenoid fault

 

[emmet_gti]

thanks frank, im gonna go mad, its fault after fault, which is very unusual in the k11 world

 

[emmet_gti]

ok so i tried a different starter today and no go, i tried jumpleads again and no good either, what would make the starter not want to engage the flywheel? i push started the car and everything works until i turn it off and the car wont start again

 

[Stani1029]

What way did you hook up the jump leads?

 

[emmet_gti]

the normal way except i put the earth on the engine

 

[emmet_gti]

is there a possibility that its a burnt loom somewhere? also will a march start with the speedo cluster disconnected?