Flywheel K11 1.3 wanted!

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Sofa

Hello all!

I bought a Micra 2000 K11 manual with a 1275 cc engine 16V for an employee and have been working on it for weeks.

For your info: yes it's old but I am talking about Spain so it's 100% rust free and has done only 36.000 miles.

It started and then it didn't. (The owner had told me the starter motor was no good anymore) So I put in a new starter motor.

That worked.

I then replaced half the car and after weeks of work it now looks as new.

This morning I wanted to put it in a different place and it didn't start. The starter motor worked fine but it made a lot of noise and nothing happened. I tried again and again and then it started normally. Tried that a few times. Sometimes the engine turned around (and started running beautifully) and half the time it just made noise but the engine didn't turn over.

I am after a FLY WHEEL now .......

Anyone?

thanks!

Marc
 
Hi Frank.

Eeeh, the ring gear is part of the fly wheel right? That is the outer part? With the teeth?

If so I am not quite sure what to answer. I put the car in 5th gear, removed the new starter motor and shone with a torch on the then slowly rotating fly wheel. (as I was pushing the car through it's 5th gear) All teeth are there, none are damaged really. Just slightly worn but nothing to worry about. I then went to a garage, explained the problem and he suggested the outer ring of the fly wheel would spin around but not the inner part (so it made noise but didn't move the engine) He couldn't think of any other reason it sometimes started and then didn't. I showed him the video I took of the slowly rotating fly wheel and he too said 'the teeth look ok to me'. I also showed him the new starter and he agreed it was the right one.

He will change the fly wheel IF I can find him another one. I am too old for that and do all the work on my back - flat out under the car.

Marc
 
i have never come across a slipping ring gear marc (very unlikely imo) and it would,nt make a noise if it did slip
there are 2 types of k11 starter, maybe yours is,nt meshing properly ?
 
Hi Frank.

The original motor was from Bosch. 0001112018. That is the sticker on the motor. It also has a number stamped in which is 0 831 303 164.

I bought a new starter with the number J5211052. This is the link https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223084810724

The teeth and measurements are the same. The garage owner confirmed this as I took it out again.

If the new starter doesn't mesh properly (whatever that means exactly) then the old one - as it made exactly the same noise - also didn't mesh properly?

In other words: the old Bosch starter no longer meshed properly and now the new starter also doesn't mesh?

That too doesn't make sense to me.

Marc
 
A parts company in Belgium however does NOT list the Micra however with the J5211052

NISSAN
  • 100NX (B13) (90 - 102 PK, 03.1990 - 10.1994 bj)
  • Almera Sedan (N15) (75 - 99 PK, 09.1995 - 07.2000 bj)
  • Almera Hatchback (N15) (75 - 99 PK, 09.1995 - 03.2000 bj)
  • Micra II Hatchback (K11) (54 - 75 PK, 08.1992 - 09.2000 bj)
  • Pulsar V Hatchback (N14) (70 - 102 PK, 10.1990 - 06.1995 bj)
  • Sunny Van (Y10) (90 PK, 10.1992 - 03.2000 bj)
  • Sunny Sedan (N13) (73 - 90 PK, 06.1986 - 06.1991 bj)
  • Sunny Coupe (B12) (73 - 90 PK, 06.1986 - 06.1991 bj)
  • Sunny Hatchback (N13) (73 - 90 PK, 06.1986 - 10.1990 bj)
  • Sunny Traveller (B12) (73 - 90 PK, 06.1986 - 06.1991 bj)
  • Sunny Sedan (N14) (75 - 102 PK, 10.1990 - 06.1995 bj)
  • Sunny Liftback (N14) (75 - 102 PK, 10.1990 - 06.1995 bj)
  • Sunny Traveller (Y10) (90 - 102 PK, 06.1991 - 03.2000 bj)
  • Vanette Cargo Van (HC23) (97 PK, 09.1994 - 05.2001 bj)
 
I don't know ...........stuck ............

I suppose Frank is very knowledgeable and the numbers are confusing. One website says ok, the other doesn't match these numbers and the starters are at least visually ok.

In any case, the sound that is produced when starting (if it doesn't start well) is the same from both starters. Quite noise.
 
the 2 different starters are for dizzy and coilpack marc, coilpack type goes under the inlet mani and the other type bolts to the g/box
and 2000 is the changeover year
 
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Sorry Frank, I am lost here. 'Dizzy' and 'Coilpack'.

The starter I got bolts (with 2 bolts) to the gear box. That one is located on the right hand side, almost down below. 1 fat wire is screwed on with a fairly large nut and there is a thin cable which is a clip type.
 
One is old, the other new.

In short. With the old one the engine starts OR under the hood comes a loud grinding sound and the engine does not spin around.

With the new one, EXACTLY the same.

(The flywheel is not missing any teeth and looks fine)
 
yes 2 bolts holding them on, but the position changed in 2000, and the length of the gear throw too, so both of your starters may be the wrong type ?
 
Ah, now I understand. Well, the Bosch is the original (I think, not totally sure of course as I don't know whether the seller was honest or not) and the new one is the same but also the right model according to parts websites.

But, not all sites agree with each other!

In any case it's a Micra 2000 - K11 - manual with a 1275 cc engine 16V - 75HP or 55KW and was registered in 09 - 2000.
 
in the uk, the 1275 was a distributor engine pre 2000
and the post 2000 was a 1348 coilpack engine with the starter mounted under the inlet mani (and different flywheel)
 
I see now they changed in 07 - 2000. Not sure whether that is manufacturing date? Registration date might be 09 - 2000 but it is possible it was actually MADE in 1999! (Or am I wrong?)

If my registration date is the only important date, so 09 -2000 then that indeed is after the change and I may (may ......) have the wrong type and the seller put in the wrong type too.
 
There is nothing behind the radiator but there is a black metal plate. Uploading a picture now.
nissan.JPG
 
I just checked a site in Belgium.

1.3 i 16V, 08.1992 - 09.2000, 1275 ccm, 75 PK

So they didn't cut up the year 2000. The last Micras were from 09 - 2000 and their starter motor

Article №: J5211052HERTH+BUSS JAKOPARTS Starter1,2kW
Car parts maker: HERTH+BUSS JAKOPARTS
  • Rated Power [kW]:1,2
  • Voltage [V]:12
  • Number of Teeth:8
  • Rotation Direction:Anti-clockwise rotation
  • Transmission Type:Manual Transmission
  • Number of mounting bores:2
  • Position / Degree:li 35
  • Used part return not required
  • Fit [mm]:70
  • Overall Length [mm]:214,5
  • Diameter 1 [mm]:70
And that's the one which is in now.
 
I mean, if sometimes (so not always) the teeth of the starter and the flywheel do not engage properly (or 'not mesh') the solution is simply to buy a new starter. BUT ...........I just did that!
 
By the way, the motor code:

1275ccm CG13DE

and the CGA3DE is NOT the 1275 CC. That is 1348 CC.

So, of course it's a CG then!
 
you need to confirm you have the correct starter first, measure the gear to bolt-face distance on the starter and flywheel
 
Ok, I will measure the distance from the teeth of the flywheel to the teeth of the starter later - in the sunlight!

In any case, I checked again a number of websites for the new starter J5211052 and it is the CORRECT one.

Will post my measurements later here. Still, if these websites are all wrong and the starter is wrong (same as the old one) and it can't engage it shouldn't start. Now it does, sometimes.
 

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