carb questions

Hi,
right all, i've heard of peopel fitting CBR600 carbs (assumedly Honda CBR600), but has anyone tried Honda CBR900 Fireblade carbs? Surely you'd get better gains? Also, owing to the fact they don't have an airbox, would they not damage your engine? Is it better to make a custom plenum and airbox and fit them? It's just theirs a nice cheap set on eBay at the moment and i'm tempted seeing as their so low.
 
You can get little 'trumpet socks' which sit over the intakes to filter the air. Yeah get them, it'd be interested to see the gains compared to 600 carbs.
 
the thing is that 600 carbs are good for at least 120 bhp, there would be no need to use bigger carbs, the gearbox would give up well before that, I think the 900 carbs would be too big anyway and would overfuel the engine.
 
Because the trumpets face the opposite way to the incoming air flow, i don't think a filter would be that important!
 
lol the stock carb is 34mm i think so about the same size. Have you got a link?

how do i know your not gonna outbid me on them though?? i don't wanna come across as defensive but i doubt i could afford to miss these!

As for overfueling, you can adjust the fueling by changing the jets can't you?

just to add, are yo saying you'd go from 52BHP to near 120 just from using CBR 600 carbs alone? Well and i'm picking up a backbox tomorrow but thats not gonna gain me much!
 
Ok I understand that, you don't want everyone seeing it, I was just gunna look at the spec, found it now.

They won't give that much performance gain til they are set up. Someone on here will be able to help you with that.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! He ended it for no reason overnight =( it ended today too!

Whats the spec on them? Also, what does half the spec mean, as i'm new to carbs. They seem easier to fiddle with than injection engines, no need for remapping!

Also, i'd appreciate the help, although my dad will be able to get them basically setup, and then maybe someone can finetune them with me? Also, i'd appreciate any help on tuning carbs, as i'm new to them.

Also, how hard is it to turbo carb'd engines? As i understand it they have one fueling setting so how can they adjust to on-boost time?
 
he ended it cos the price wasn't high enough I think, he started at 99p to keep ebay costs down instead of having a reserve, like an idiot. I hate ebayers like that.
 
cbr600 are good enough, there's little point to buying cbr900 if your just going to tune them down, you also need a custom mani made up dont know how much that'll cost but its not particlarly cheap so bare that in mind. as for going from 52bhp to 120bhp sonic ment that they will do 120bhp alongside other mods, adding cbr600's alone will add 20-30bhhp.

dont know much about turbo's havent had any expeiriance with turbo'd cars atall let alone turbo carbed cars, i know the renault 5 gt turbo was carbed any they are quick!
 
for a start uprated gearbox and clutch, the standard box wont do 100+ without going, i suppose you could use the gearbox out of a cg i've heard that they do fit and are stronger than the k10 box, i would imagine that it would be quite expensive to see 100+ a 4-2-1 exhaust system would be a start but as far as other mods go such as head skimming, valvas, you'r best of talking to bob or somone else who's bin there done it, if you get me lol
 
ah ok. Well i want a full exhaust system anyway, and probably going to do some uprated carbs. i have a set of 600cc motorbike carbs in my garage but their not CBR ones. Reckon they'd be as good/better? Or worse?
 
what I meant by my post is that CBR600s have 120bhp as standard, but they are in a high state of tune already, so the carbs are capable of giving sufficient fueling and airflow at that sort of power output, the 900 carbs would be totally uneccesary on a K10 engine as I dont realistically think that it is capable of that sort of power without forced induction.
 
i agree with sonic unless you'r looking at transplant/forced induction 120bhp is an unrealistic figure for the ma engines, however there's a figaro on ebay aat the moment, these are turbo with 75bhp standard (ma10e i think) if your ever going to turbo a k10 then this is the oppertunity as its going very cheap for what it is. get that and with some mods you'll be looking at 100+ bhp easy
 
you can "overcarb" an engine, by fitting carbs with throats larger than required. granted you could fit fatter needles to get the fuelling down but I assume that larger throats will cause problems.

people in the tuning world often used to fit larger ones for "pub" horsepower. when I was into escorts, folk used to fit a set of twin 40's to a 1300 xflow when a single twinchoke 32 DGV would give just the same horsepower, as the engine's air and fuel requirements were more than enough from the sigle carb. Bet it didnt sound as good though!

A classic example is back in the 60's some cars (rovers I think) would be fitted with a pair of 2" su's, but the float would be restricted in its travel to prevent overcarbing- so they fitted twin 2"ers to make the spec look good, whereas a pair of 1.75" su's would have done the job equally well.

I'm not that up on bike carbs, but when it comes to throttle bodies (fuel injection) there is a general formula which can be used to calculate what size you need, I would assume there is a general rule of thumb for carbs too.

I have some fireblade (CBR900 929 fuel injection) throttle bodies, and they are good for about 200 BHP with 40mm chokes, I would imagine the carb'd 'blade would have had similar sized throats - would assume they would be far too large for even a well tuned MA12- but saying that speedle has a lovely pair (ooerr) of 36 DCNF's bolted on, any they run great- but we don't know what size throats are fitted to those.

As the CBR600 units have been used by members of this forum, then I say go with those- as their experience of fitting and using them will outweigh any extra cost than fitting a different type because you can "get them cheap." I picked some goofed ones up for less than a tenner a while back (need rebuilding tho) so if you hang in there you could get em cheaper.

HTH, just my 2p, feel free to ignore!
 
Hi,
thanks for that guys. I'm not too bothered now so i'll go with CBR600 ones as they often go for approximately £50 delivered buy-it-now which is good to me. The project would be a case of building up the individual parts over time then whack it all together , so i'm not getting one huge bill. Unless i get a job that is, the i'll do it faster as i'll have money.

I seriously need to go see anyone about any job!

How much would a 4-1 manifold cost in stainless steel and a straight through cost (i'll supply a backbox as i already have a ncie Tanabe 3" one on its way to me). Also, what would be the best diameter? I've heard too big an exhaust costs low down torque and isn't worth it. Hence i got a 2" inlet'd backbxo with a 3" outlet, so now it doesn't look chav, it shouldn't be over-freeflowing, and should sound and look sweet!

Also, someone said about carb socks as i call them, i wanted to fit 4x125cc motorbike K&N style filters, would they be ok? I was going to do the middle to going upwards and at 45 degree angles and the 2 outer ones going 90 degrees flat.

Also, does anywhere do uprated cams for MA12 engines? I suspect not but i thought i'd ask =)
 
Yeah getting a job does help with modifications, I sent out hundreds (literally) of copies of my CV and only had 2 interviews and before that was out of work for a year. Go to somewhere like McD's, it's a start and other companies want to see you have some work experience.

I think you can get uprated cams for the Micra, someone else will know.

As for the 4-2-1 you would need too buy a K11 one and weld a K10 flange on it.
 
yeah i wanna get a decent job though, and my dad won't let me work in McD's even though it's a 10 minute walk from me =(

I am still working on my CV and i've done something bad to my back so i'm in alot of pain at the moment, so until that heals i'm ######ed. I can't even do my smalltime job as a part-time removals man now until it heals, knowing my luck there will be an influx of work while i'm out =(
 
I would work there but my dad refuses to let me just because it's McDonalds.

Although the chip shop just posted for jobs on saturdays, i might do that so i have some money!
 
ed has a post up in the fusion motorsports section about cam reprofiling.

the mani for my bike carbs is too long to fit air filters on, i dont think there essential tho.
 
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