K10 Ga16 Convertion

bobsp16

bobsp16

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Well i made a start this morning just lifted it in to see how it fits and sits,
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Its been a long day 9am this morning i removed the ga from the primera but somebody had already taken the drive shafts off the car.so get some at a later date sort the engine mounts out 1st.
I will lift it back out in the morning and cut away the old mounts off the chassie.
 
As you know what your talking about mate,..

..im not going to tell you to fit some temporary shafts before you make your final mounts, Just to make sure all the CV joints and shafts clear everything well.. Checking the Steering lock to lock etc..

..just make sure you make allowances for it..

After the work I think youll regret fitting only the 1.6 and not the 2.0 as its similar levels of work..

Looking promising though mate..
 
kristian said:
As you know what your talking about mate,..

..im not going to tell you to fit some temporary shafts before you make your final mounts, Just to make sure all the CV joints and shafts clear everything well.. Checking the Steering lock to lock etc..

..just make sure you make allowances for it..

After the work I think youll regret fitting only the 1.6 and not the 2.0 as its similar levels of work..

Looking promising though mate..
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not if i fit the lump in place when its in full right hand lock and it mrs,,,looked at this already and if i can get the ga16 to fit the sr20 would drop in the same mounts
 
nice work, looks like theres no problem with it hitting the brake master cylinder, if you fab up a set of mounts for me ill definatly buy them off of you, should be quite a straight forward job
 
lump transplants are way out my league!... but I'm interested all the same...you never know...one day...

Curious:...how do you decide where to fix the position and angle of the engine?

Assuming there is enough room to house where the engine gets fixed(bonnet-bulkhead-roadclearence-radiator-sides...., Is it

a)the drive shafts
and
b) the gear selector linkages

...that determines the position of the engine...? or is this all 'not so critical 'that you can have a balance/trade-off of other considerations of where to position the engine? (ie you can get away with not having these items perfectly aligned)?

And then,.... do you have to fabricate engine mounts that hold the engine exactly where you want it?

Cheers
 
comparing this convertion to batche's i have more room with the engine and box and its the same width but the ga16 is narrower ,,,
 
one main factor is the driveshafts, clearance on body and having it at a height that there not at a stupid angle when its properly in situ, this is always a main factor expecially in a rwd application where the prop has to be fairly straight all the way through
 
i have an idea that when i get these engine mounting in the right place for the ga16 the sr20 would drop in the same mounts but we will see...
 
if you use p10 existing mounts, there is no reason you cant, that would be a good upgrade in the future
 
what?....the sr20det will slip staight in did you say?...... go on, ill give you £50 to get it done...another 2.0 turbo k10...scaring a few people all over the damned place..
 
antony_aiken said:
what?....the sr20det will slip staight in did you say?...... go on, ill give you £50 to get it done...another 2.0 turbo k10...scaring a few people all over the damned place..
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what?....the sr20det will slip staight in did you say?......

yes it uses the same mounts in the primie p10
 
kristian said:
this aint true..But they are all in SIMILAR places... as you could see from the K10 MA10/MA12 mounts going to the GA16 mounts..
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sr20 engine mounts are in the same place in the primmy but the 2.0 gearbox mount is on the top of the box were the 1.6 is front side.

camera packed up today so no pics

Today i cut away the old ma chassie mounts and got the ga engine in the position were i think it will be fixed.The bottom crank pully is only about 15mm off the chassie just abit more than what batch had.

Do the ga inner cv's fit the ma shafts????????????
 
bobsp16 said:
sr20 engine mounts are in the same place in the primmy but the 2.0 gearbox mount is on the top of the box were the 1.6 is front side.

camera packed up today so no pics

Today i cut away the old ma chassie mounts and got the ga engine in the position were i think it will be fixed.The bottom crank pully is only about 15mm off the chassie just abit more than what batch had.

Do the ga inner cv's fit the ma shafts????????????
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Cant help you with the shafts but that kind of clearance is the going rate with these conversions.. on the Crank pully side..
 
about time someone here did this conversion, i did have a picture somewhere of someone in europe who has already done this but god knows where it is now. was a few years back now, be good to see this done :D
 
i was speaking to quickdraw months ago, he has done this conversion before but i think its quite straight forward
 
well youve got to get the ga input shafts to go into the box anyway so you might aswell get two complete shafts.

if you dont have any k10 shafts avaliable i have a set i can post down to you but im v skint untill i get payed so it will have to be sometime next week.

what i would do if you had time down the scrapper is pull the boot off the Ga shaft and try and fit it into one down there and if it dosent work try and fit it into a CG shaft end etc. if its a fit in the CG shaft, the hub end will fit in the MA.
 
Quickdraw did it aye, and he got it running. Not sure if it ever made road though, don't think so.

Was alot of work!
 
Well its in

Got the engine in today,all 4 mounting fabricated and fits a treat.I used all the standard primera mounts and bushes,The bottom back mount which i thought would be the worse one turned out easy,i just cut off the old k10 bush which i used to make up the fronts mount and for the back one i welded on a plate to give a bit of a dog leg and it lined straight up.
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Fordy said:
it isnt in straight, from them pics it looks as if the gearbox mount is to far forward
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it does look a bit that way from the drivers side because the cam chain end is wider than the other but from the other its ok when you measure it its near enough,anyway nissan couldn't even get the standard engine in straight thay sit low from the gearbox end.
 
Somebody must no,,,,,,help with wireing

Can somebody tell me what these wires do and which ones i need.....please

The 1st picture is of the two wires from the coil........

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looking good bob, hopefully getting a sr20de in a few weeks, by the looks of it it will use the same mounting positions as your conversion as your using all p10 mounts so it should be a fairly easy drop in, the only pain will be the driveshafts
 
i reckon the striped (with single red dots) wires will be those that goto the coil itself (from the dissy) as for the other two im not sure what they could be for, id assume the ga16 has a crank angle sensor (i reckon thats what they are for one for earth and one for signal) in it which obv the k10 would not (except for the 1.2 ecc) so these may well be redundant now, ideally i need to see a ga16 in a primera to determine what the wires do but thats my guess. single red dots. black wires on nissans are almsot always earth and the white with black stripe is no doubt the positive from the coil.

thats my educated guess
 
so being there's black with red dot coming from both dizzy and coil these could be put together down to ground/earth.
So if i put the dizzy white un black stripe together with the black and blue stripe off the coil to a + positive feed it should give me my ignition...

i just didn't want to blow the dizzy up like i did in a vauxhaul..

anybody else agree's with this
 
the best way to confirm it for sure bob would be to look at an untouched ga16 in the car and trace the wires, or get the primera haynes manual? as that would have the wiring diagrams i would have thought tho if you look at the k10 wiring diagram they would use similar coloured wires for the same job makes sense to keep the colouring convention the same with all the nissan cars of similar ages ;) check what the haynes says for the micra if you got one
 
forget about the dots on the wires they mean nothing.

bob, what car/year did the engine come out from and ill dig in the manuals tomorrow
 
Fordy said:
forget about the dots on the wires they mean nothing.

bob, what car/year did the engine come out from and ill dig in the manuals tomorrow
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L reg 1.6 lx innovation thats all it said.all i looked for was the carb model.
trouble is there 3 off the plugs that fit the coil the scrapy boys took the engine out 1st,then i went back and cut out all the engine wireing loom
 
Bob, take the cover of the dist and see weather it has a hall effect sensor in it (good) or a slotted disk crankangle sensor (bad) if its the second its no good for your application. You will need to find a distributor that will fit on with the correct ignition driver in it.
 
damn ed its of the slotted disc type no good like the ma12 ecc non vac dizzy with the ecu..i should of noan this after all these years on pre 93 non cat micra's.....
So its back down to the scappy and try and find an earlyer modal which has a vacume dizzy on,
They started making the primera with the ga16 in around h reg 91 i think,!! so hopefully the pre 93 non cat type should be the one.

Fordy said:
forget about the dots on the wires they mean nothing.

bob, what car/year did the engine come out from and ill dig in the manuals tomorrow
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fordy can you have alook to see if they did the pre 93 ga16 in the primera with a vacume type dizzy

just been looking on that wikipedia and found this.
.The GA16DNE in mexico 1.6 L (1597 cc) engine. It produces 105 hp. The main differences between DE and DNE are: DNE has no VTC, comes without ECCS plenum.
so if i turn this engine into a non ecc type with some bike carbs on it should be good for around 120/130bhp in standard form....nice
 
Bob with decent intake/cams/exhaust you would be looking at more than that, and it would fly!!!!
 
pietro said:
Nice work bob, what power you expecting? :) Also why not keep injection?
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well i was expecting around 125 but ed says more with some cams so even better

How much are the cams ed, what spec and who does them,and i will be doing some head work,ie skimming polish and porting,
 
looks good.... will be front heavy though i reckon because k10s weigh nothing as it is.

15-20kg bag of ballast in the boot would even it out a bit around corners i reckon though
 
Type-R said:
looks good.... will be front heavy though i reckon because k10s weigh nothing as it is.

15-20kg bag of ballast in the boot would even it out a bit around corners i reckon though
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doooo the extra weight will get the power down better like the nova's with the 2.0 red tops in,i have driven one of them and i think they handle better than standard.
 
more weight is bad - always do dont add any to even it out!! The 1.6's are not too bad, besides you get lots of small 1.6 cars..

Pipe don't list anyting for the 1.6 engine so it would be a custom grind, but you would be looking at about the same price as a normal twin cam head so in the region of 160-200.
 
besides you get lots of small 1.6 cars..
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factory designed cars have had considerations and alterations made to compensate, a Ga16 in a k10 isnt factory and for safety such aspects have to be considered. Personally i would trial and error loads of methods to see what suits it best.
 
The ST has more power standard than the 1.6 and exactly the same chassis/safety. Its probably just as heavy too since it has so much strapped to it.
 
My k11 interior has been stripped and the car is obviously much quicker off the mark and handles better but in the wet its not so good. I threw a bag of sand in the rear bootwell of approx 10kg and then drove it in the wet the results were excellent car felt more in control. I was just speaking from experience, but everyone to thier own.
 
Ill simply say with that I agree with you, but shall not say any more as thats a tyre issure and is going off topic... :)
 
why takeout all your interior and add a bag of sand,seems daft to me.
Type-R said:
My k11 interior has been stripped and the car is obviously much quicker off the mark and handles better but in the wet its not so good. I threw a bag of sand in the rear bootwell of approx 10kg and then drove it in the wet the results were excellent car felt more in control. I was just speaking from experience, but everyone to thier own.
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bob, i need to know what engine you have got?

do you have the ga16de lump?

ive got an idea of the wires but i couldnt get a picture to explain it,

on the dissy you have four wires means you dont have a inbuilt cas sensor

1 wire goes to the tacho on the dissy

on the coil the black and blue is a ignition feed

but ill grab the manual tomorrow night and if you have msn we could talk over that as its quicker
 

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