URGENT : Welder advice

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by goldstar0011, Feb 10, 2006.

  1. goldstar0011

    goldstar0011 Ex. Club Member

    If anyone knows whats good for a welder ie price etc please come on msn goldstar0011@hotmail.com

    hope i found something cheap enough and local and getting twitchy for the buy now option
  2. goldstar0011

    goldstar0011 Ex. Club Member

  3. mike

    mike I love Ed!!!! Staff Member

    Thats a good price especially with the two masks thrown in.
  4. Ed

    Ed Fusion Motorsport MSC Founder Official MSC Trader

    They are not too bad, you definately can do welding with them but the wire feed isnt great (thats what you pay for really) But i have used them for alot of angle iron welding.
  5. goldstar0011

    goldstar0011 Ex. Club Member

    Glad to hear I got a decent one, I'm willing to spend the £££ on a good one but don't see point yet till I've had ago at welding.
  6. NeX

    NeX You're after my robot bee

    would have been nice if it had been a mig welder with gas cos the non gas ones tend to bubble a bit on the welds...

    but either way :)

    aparently there are lots of wannabe welders who go out and get a top setup and then don't know how to use it so they flog it cheaply :)
  7. Andrew

    Andrew Club Member

    I thought the wire feed on the SIPs was really rubbish. You need constant feed otherwise you get horrible welds. The problem with these is that the low voltage for the motor that drives the feed comes from one of the big welding current transformers, so everytime you strike an arc and the voltage drops, so does the speed of the feed. TBH, I found it unusable compared to the machines I was used to.

    I attempted to fix it, with not much luck. Replacement feed units can be picked up from decent welding shops, but I think putting in a seperate power supply and regulator would go a long way.

    I think no-gas is better for most home use. Those tiny gas bottles are a pain, and really expensive. Shielding gas also gets blown away with air movement, so for outdoors, no-gas is better.
  8. crogthomas

    crogthomas New Member

    I can agree with most of the comments already. Those welders are resonably good for the money.
    The wire feed is not perfect, but replace the wire liner on a regular basis and keep the umbilical straight when you are welding (i.e. move the welder so that it is straight behind you so that the umbilical is not coiled up on the floor) and it should be better.

    Also recommended is hireing or buying a large gas cylinder if you are going to be doing a lot of welding. Much cheaper in comparison to those tiny disposible bottles.

    Craig
  9. bobsp16

    bobsp16 Club Member (Bronze)

    if you are going to spend good money on a welder go for at least turbo 150amp sealy they are better than the sips ones
  10. goldstar0011

    goldstar0011 Ex. Club Member

    My heads gone again!

    Replace wire liner?
    Whats a horrible weld?
    No-gas better for home use? whats home-use classed as?

    Main use for the welder would be to do own sill/frontend repair.
  11. Andrew

    Andrew Club Member

    The wire liner is a thin PTFE plastic tube which carries the welding wire from the welder to the torch. It wears out and makes the wire harder to push up from the welder.

    MIG can make good welds, but varying wire speed makes them impossible to do. It can make learning extremely frustrating.

    Home-use - irregular use (less than weekly), light duty use, not very thin metal, in the open. If like most home users, you'll buy a welder and use it less than 3 times a year, then no-gas is an easier option.
  12. NeX

    NeX You're after my robot bee

    yep a low amp welder is perfect for cars becuse you can do thinner metal :)

    i can't beleve they run the motor off the same transformer... that just stupid.

    the gas ones are really nice to use but as people have said they really are for garages etc where they are used all the time,

    How does the gasless ones protect against oxide? is it in the wire like arc?


    most of the skill in welding is getting the machine setup and if the machine doesn't stay in the setup that you put it in then it's no good.
  13. goldstar0011

    goldstar0011 Ex. Club Member

    I think gasless welders use a fluxed wire as gas ones don't.

    I won't be a heavy duty user...yet..might try things like smooth boot and badboy bonnet and the usual sills patches etc.

    Nex - expect emails bud!!
  14. Andrew

    Andrew Club Member

    The gasless ones have a flux cored wire, so it's like a stick turned inside out. The weld is about the same quality as with gas. Because the gas is created closer to the weld, it doesn't get pushed away by air movement as much, so it's better for outside work (but not as good as oxy or stick for windy conditions).

    The flux cored wire costs more than the normal wire, but less than those small gas bottles will cost you.

    That was the other problem I remember - the wire spool fits in the top horizontally. Friction can cause problems. I found smearing it in engine oil helped, but then the wire overan when you stopped feeding, causing tangles. They also don't take the big 5kg spools which are much better value.
  15. NeX

    NeX You're after my robot bee

    i'm ready on standby mate :D

    that little mig welder is the perfect thing for badboying, make sure the surface is free of paint and nice and clean. i'd recommend doing it indoors because the clean metal will oxadize faster outside, so borrow a bonnet if you can :)

    i might have to get one of these "flux" welders, i've been looking at welders after i did my welding course but the gas ones are sooo expensive... but gasless are more apealling now :)
  16. Raceworx

    Raceworx IM BRINGING SEXY BACK

    i have the same one its abit crap really you need gasless wire if your not in an enclosed place and the small bottles are crap last about 5 mins!

    the feed is crap and the end can brake easilly im on my second nozzle, it works but just lol not a bad price though so you carnt moan for that!!

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